Hate to defend the dweeb, but Charlie mentioned that the militia regularly raided their settlement and took supplies, and women. Enough is enough at some point, plus Danny wasn’t the only one with a weapon pointed at the militia.
But Danny started it (if I recall correctly). Danny knew that the militia took what they wanted or there would be violence, and he still threatened them with a weapon - that was just stupid. What did he think the leader of the militia was going to say - “Well, I’ve searched for your father for years at great trouble and hardship, but since you’re pointing a crossbow at me, I guess I’ll just turn around and bugger off.”?
And they are doing guns all wrong.
Look there are like 300 million guns in the USA. Once the population drops to 30 million, each person will have 10 guns. There will be no need to use primative black powder single shot percussion muskets.
Ammo lasts for decades. I know dudes who routinely shoot WWII surplus and crazy dudes who have shot WWI surplus ammo.
Black powder cartridges are easy to make without electricity or just reload them with black powder. Sure, you cant use them in autos, but revolvers, bolt actions, etc- no problems (other than fouling). If you can make percussion caps, you can make cartridges or reload.
But IF rounds for high powered rifles are “as valuable as diamonds”, you sure *as fuck *wouldnt use them to shoot a slave or a helpless prisoner. :rolleyes:
Oh yeah, that drove me a little crazy. They could have achieved the same effect and stayed true to what they were saying by having him nod to a soldier and the soldier cuts the prisoner’s throat. Also, threatening to shoot someone dead because you want their information is beyond stupid. “Oh. Guess the bullet was in that chamber. So, we won’t be getting any information out of him now.”
OK, so I was procrastinating, but I’ve given up partway into episode 2. Just couldn’t stand Princess Bossy Brat any more, especially how contra-survival her antics get.
THAT is what bothered me… these people are, mostly, way too stupid and clumsy to have survived fifteen years without Neosporin. Most of them have gotten injured so far and, really, that’s kind of a death sentence in their situation… and how the hell does the Google guy get to carry around that penalty weight after fifteen years of living off the land?
which is to say, I’m kinda annoyed that they were stuck with all the main actors not aging a day in fifteen years…
I wonder that myself. They must have a very successful village.
Not true - Charlie and Danny are older. 
Hard for me to understand why, exactly, Rachel would have turned herself in, to Miles, all those years ago.
What the heck happened here?
Miles found out where Rachel and Ben lived, and demanded that Rachel turn herself in, or else the rest of the family gets it? (that makes no sense.)
Rachel turned herself in (without telling her family - I suppose it’s unclear whether or not Ben understands what’s going on, but it seems unlikely) and Miles takes her prisoner and hands her over to Monroe.
Monroe keeps her captive for what, 10 years? more? during which time she never manages to escape, despite the decidedly un-prisonlike surroundings in which she is being kept. Also, due to the flashback in one episode, we know that she’s got no problem with killing people if need be.
During this period of 10 years, she is tortured and heckled by Sebastian Monroe endlessly, demanding to know the whereabouts of her family (Ben, in particular) and what Ben knew about the power situation. Despite being tortured for 10 years, she has apparently still never given up the goods.
Miles eventually tires of this situation and leaves the Monroe Militia (but does not liberate his sister-in-law) and goes underground. Unclear whether or not he mentioned to Ben that Rachel is alive, in captivity. They were in contact, however, as he did see fit to tell Ben that he tends bar at the Grand Hotel in Chicago.
Assuming that Ben DID know that Rachel was alive and well, he still saw fit to take up with Maggie the British. Adultery, yay!
And of course, in the 10 years since Rachel departed, Ben somehow managed to found a nice little farming community, with lots of livestock and crops. Even though nobody else seems to be able to get their shit together, Ben has managed to basically cast himself in the role of wealthy plantation owner in the space of just a few years.
Oh, and “Algebra teacher”? That’s what Rachel claimed that Ben was doing for a living, the same as Grace did when questioned by the militia guy. Is “Algebra Teacher” an inside joke amongst the people who were in on the electricity-killing-conspiracy?
I gotta say, it’s just loopy enough that I am interested to see how they can possibly continue on with this for more than a season or two.
at least they actually killed british chick - shows they have some balls and are at least being ‘realistic’ in that regaurd - even if it did take her 30 minutes too long to die.
Google boy would also likely die from that dog bite.
The rest of it - makes zero sense - these folks are simply too clean for the life they are living.
yeah - still watching -
Still watching, but hoo boy that episode was utter trash. I can’t even begin to list everything that bugged me in this one, so I’ll boil it down to two:
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There is no way they write anything remotely plausible regarding mom turning herself in. It’s just a stupid plot device that makes no sense. Terrible writing.
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They showed…LIGHTNING!!! head asplodes
EDIT: I did appreciate that they portrayed the fat nerd as a total coward, though. Too often in today’s media the nerdy underdog is really a hero just waiting to shine.
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Uncle Miles wears contact lenses - well, that’ll take you right out of the moment. He either needs to shoot without them, or they need to be more careful about the angles they shoot him at. That’s just terribly sloppy.
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Danny apparently is an idiot savant at lock picking. Huh. Not too great with the escaping in a massive storm, though. Oh, stupid, stupid Danny. What did you think he was going to do?
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Shall we assume that our intrepid band of adventurers have lived a sheltered life in a wonderful village so they don’t have a clue what it’s like to hang around anywhere else in the world they live in? They seem to be surprised by conditions at every step.
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You can’t trust people you kidnap any more? What is this world coming to?
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I don’t get Mom turning herself in, either. I’m sure they’ll have a very good explanation for that.
They did make mention of steam power in this episode. No mention of why we aren’t seeing it, but apparently it worked for ships until they were all confiscated or destroyed.
I’m out.
heh.
For context on how poorly this will be fleshed out and how obviously it will only have happened as a(n incredibly implausible) plot device, in the original script she was written to be sleeping with the head honcho guy.
Elizabeth Mitchell (who plays the mom) asked th writer: “So, she’s a psychopath, right?” The writer was confused by the question. “She’s a mom. Only a psychopath would act this way.” So the writer changed it to her being a prisoner.
Yeah, no doubt a great justification will be forthcoming why mom voluntarily abandoned her family to turn herself in to someone who couldn’t otherwise find her to be held prisoner for 15 years.
It occurred to me that it might be an interesting plot twist to have Uncle Miles being the evil guy, and Monroe actually the good guy. I think that might be a bit too sophisticated for this show, though.
Didn’t the mom say that Miles asked her to come, so she did? That doesn’t make any sense either.
I’m thinking Monroe said he would leave the husband and kids alone if she turned herself in.
Monroe definitely isn’t the good guy now, he tortured Elizabeths character (although with no visible injuries afterwards.) Maybe he started off being a good guy but can’t see that he is now.
As far as I can tell, he searched for her husband and kids nonstop from the time of her surrender to the start of the pilot.
Didn’t the black say he’d been searching for him for years?
Ugh, that sounds terrible. I meant to say “black guy.”
I actually liked last night’s episode fairly well, with a bunch of complaints as usual. For some reason it’s the only show I’ve really felt like keeping up with this season.
When will Charlie ever listen to what her uncle tells her? Following the black officer was a dumb idea.
As for the uncle, why didn’t he kill the black officer? And on the train why did he send Charlie to get her brother and he went for after the bomb? Shouldn’t it have been the other way around?
At least this show moves along the story, they don’t drag it out. I thought the bomb girl was going to die, maybe she still will. And the flashbacks have been fairly short and meaningful, not just backstory but important parts of the plot.
Next week’s episode on the other hand looks terrible, but it’s hard to tell from the teasers. Hopefully what they showed is only a small part of the episode.
I decided to pop in on this show last night because the premise sounded interesting.
In the first 5 minutes I saw a guy with such perfectly groomed sideburns that I couldn’t have replicated them with electricity and a micrometer.
Then I saw it was produced by JJ Abrams, HA! Fool me once (Lost), shame on me, no way I’m letting that bastard fool me twice.