I think Little Nemo might be conflating the way “warning” is used on the SDMB and the way it is used in the real world. In the real world a warning is the equivalent of a mod note: an instruction to stop doing something, which doesn’t carry any penalty and won’t put you on anyone’s radar, presuming you stop doing what you were warned to stop doing. On the SDMB, a warning is more like a citation, which, while it doesn’t carry any criminal penalties of course, can build up to a suspension or ban, like repeated tickets can build to a drivers license suspension.
Still, it’s clear he’s read the entire thread. At this point he is being willfully ignorant of the terms.
Honest question, what about my explanation in post #48 do you not understand?
With regards to the OP, I can see how it might be seen as threadshitting, but it also seems a legitimate statement. Grey area started his thread with a comment about how boxing may be dead or dying, then listed a bunch of boxers. etv78 observed that out of 12 boxers listed, he had only heard of 3 of them. His assumption was something along the lines that if he hadn’t heard of them, boxing as an industry/sport was doing a poor job of promoting itself. It might have helped his post seem less like threadshitting if he had made that statement more overtly. Nevertheless, it is a valid observation. Grey area then qualified that he did not wish to really discuss whether it was dying, but rather discuss the boxers and their matches and records and such. And etv78 complied.
There did not seem to be a need for the mod note. On the other hand, it’s just a mod note…
No, they are not saying that mod notes can be ignored without consequence.
What they are saying is:
If you receive a Mod Note that is an instruction you should follow. However, nobody is writing down a list of Mod Notes that you have been given. If you ignore that Mod Note, then you will likely receive a Warning for failing to follow moderator instructions. That would go on your official record, the list they keep for infractions.
Now if you got a Mod Note but decided since it was only a note, you can ignore it, and called somebody else in another thread a “nerf herder”, the moderator might remember he already gave you a note for that behavior. Or some helpful* poster might specifically point that out when they report your post. In which case the moderator would likely give you an actual Warning for that infraction instead of a casual note, on the grounds that he gave you slack once and you decided that was free rein.
So if you manage to accummulate a dozen Mod Notes in various threads for calling posters “nerf herders” without anyone** connecting the dots, then that’s not going to really lead to any greater consequences. However, if someone does connect the dots, they might decide to give you an official Warning for trying to get away with something.
No moderator is going to say “Hey, that Little Nemo has a dozen Mod Notes, lets’ give him a suspension.” However, they* might* say “Hey, that Little Nemo has a dozen Mod Notes for the same thing, let’s give him an official Warning.” If you stack up a couple of official Warnings in a short period of time, some moderator is likely to say, “Hey, that Little Nemo has a handful of Warnings for disregarding Moderator Instructions and/or namecalling outside the Pit and/or being a jerk. I think we need to take stronger action.”
Moderator Notes are not as significant as Moderator Warnings. They are, however, not without consequence. They are not officially tracked and will not cause a review of your posting privileges on their own and will not contribute much to evaluating your posting privileges, but a pattern of Mod Notes can trigger official Warnings, and stacking up several of those will get considered. And blatantly disregarding a Mod Note, especially with a reply “That’s just a Note so I don’t have to obey it”, will get stronger actions.
*“Helpful” is subjective.
**Like that same helpful poster from before.
Reading that thread after this one makes my head hurt. I guess some people are bound and determined to not understand certain things.
Because it’s pointless. You’ve demonstrated, in this thread and the linked one, that you have no intention of understanding the distinction no matter how many times it has been explained to you.
They’ve answered it. Repeatedly. The fact that you willfully refuse to understand the simple answer you’ve been given ain’t their problem. Nor is it ours. You are becoming extremely tedious on the subject, and not at all enlightening.
Okay, it’s clear Little Nemo does not grok this. Arguing over it won’t make him get it and won’t do anything but aggravate further. So let’s drop it.
It may be simple, but as far as I can tell no moderator has answered the question I asked.
Here it is again:
- I do something a moderator thinks is wrong.
- The moderator tells me not to do it again.
- The moderator does not give me a warning.
- I do it again and tell the moderator I plan on continuing to do it.
- Repeat as many times as necessary.
I want to emphasize these two points: I defied a moderator’s instructions and I was not given a warning.
So can I be suspended or banned for defying moderator instructions that aren’t warnings? Yes or no?
Several other posters have offered their opinions on this subject but I’d like to hear what the moderators have to say.
At this point you will receive a warning for violating moderator instructions. If you continue to do it, you will receive additional warnings and eventually be suspended or banned.
Of course.
But this has all been explained to you already.
So the possible consequences for defying a non-warning Mod instruction are the same as the possible consequences for defying a Mod Warning?
This is starting to sound like those conversations that start out “Can god create a stone so heavy he can’t lift it?” or “You miss Confirmation [or whatever Catholic ceremony they always use], but then you cross the international dateline …”
Yes. The point is, the consequences for not defying it are different - that is, a mod note will not be recorded and a warning will, regardless of your future behaviour.
Give it up, folks.
Little Nemo, you’re either being intentionally obtuse for whatever purpose or you’re showing a world-class inability to understand some very simple points. Given that this same set of issues has been gone around before in 2011 I’m leaning towards pendantic jerkishness, myself.
You can actually have the same consequences when having done nothing wrong before! I’ve never had a mod note or warning, but if I set up a sock account today, I’d be banned.
Mod note: Your behavior is getting problematic, please stop or there might be a problem in the future. This mod note *serves as a *warning, notice, alert that you’re getting close to crossing the line.
Official Warning: Your behavior crossed a line, you’d better stop and we’re remembering that you did it. This Official Warning has become part of your record.
A poster can get an Official Warning out of the blue, or after a number of mod notes, depending on what they are being warned for. A poster can get banned after accumulating too many Official Warnings or out of the blue depending on what they’ve done.
That’s my attempt.
Apparently we were to stop discussing this topic- that wasn’t clear to me but sorry to have continued the discussion.
MODERATOR NOTE
If it’s not clear to everyone here, let me make it so – trying to convince someone who will not be convinced of something is pointless. Save your energy for something meaningful and stop counseling/lecturing/explaining to Little Nemo on the subject of Mod Notes and Warnings.
Should we expect a warning to Nemo for continuing the argument after you told everyone to drop it?
So, you guys are going to be shutting down Great Debates, then?