He was photographed the next day with a definite black eye.
A) Their business, if they make what I think are ridiculously stupid choices, and they don’t affect me - then I could care less.
- Don’t think for a minute this will ultimately hurt either of their careers. Endorsements for him, maybe, maybe not. But they’ll both keep selling records. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present R. Kelly. I rest my case, this won’t hurt their careers a bit.
Where is the report that the bite marks were on the inside of her arm?
Jail time for beating her up would be minimal, if any. What hes most concerned about is the tens of millions of dollars this could cost him.
My very first thought upon hearing about the incident was “how long til they get back together?”
California (I’m assuming that this was where it happened?) must be way different than most states. I think most states now have a law that the woman can’t drop the charges, no matter how bad she wants to. The state prosecutes. My wife’s cousin just got out of jail after doing every day of a 1-year sentence for hitting his girlfriend. It was his first offense of anything - no prior record at all, in any category - and the year was plea-bargained down from SEVEN YEARS! :eek: I’m firmly against domestic violence but you wouldn’t get that kind of sentence for punching a guy.
(I understand the difference between punching a guy in a bar and domestic violence, in most cases, but my wife’s cousin wasn’t married to this girl, wasn’t living with her, and it was a one-time, provoked incident. She wasn’t charged.)
I didn’t know that about American law, and I find that very interesting. I’ve googled a bit, but can’t get through the thousands of lawyers ads that Google yields. Would you perhaps have a cite for me where I can read more about that phenomenon? Especially how it affects male/female relationships in the USA? Thanks in advance.
Kentucky has a law, if the cops get called out for a domestic violence call someone is going to jail. Even if the apparent victim does not want to press charges.
The main benefit in pair-bonding these cretins is that any innocent normal people are spared the company of either said cretin. It’s a bit like self-quarantine.
Yeah, but… then they’ll inevitably reproduce, increasing their numbers:(
No trial or anything eh?
Well, usually when you are arrested and being booked you are taken to jail, no?
So, if I’m understanding correctly, not getting laughed at is justfication for beating a woman? Go figure. :rolleyes:
:dubious: I’m perplexed about what terms you could’ve possibly been googling. “Domestic violence drop charges” (no quotes) yielded a whole first page of corroborations. Here is the first one from a .gov site:
I’ve never been in a situation to find out first-hand, but I’m almost positive the state can’t prosecute domestic violence dealies in CA. I distinctly remember some other case in the local news where this was brought up, that the victim had to file charges.
Victims don’t have to file charges in any state, it’s up to the prosecutors to charge somebody. No one has to “press charges” to get the ball rolling. The reason domestic violence charges get dropped is because the victim decides she doesn’t want to testify and there’s no other evidence available.
I don’t think it’s always that easy. A lot of victims of abuse are also psychologically abused, believe they don’t have any other choice, etc. I think condemning her for this, even though it’s the wrong choice, is just blaming the victim.
But how do you know she was the victim? Of course she was beaten up, but we have no idea about the circumstances under which this incident occurred. He, apparently, was also hurt. Not that it excuses either one of them, but it seems a little premature to start branding people victims or villains.
More importantly, it’s none of our business. This isn’t some circumstance where she couldn’t leave him for financial (or other) reasons. They apparently got back together under their own free will. People have a right to make their own decisions, good or bad.
I just wish them the best and hope they can get past whatever happened, and can move forward in a more healthy manner.
It’s easy to characterize their attitude as a bunch of dumb fans not being savvy enough to grok how outraged they should be, but from their perspective the conditions and cultural norms under which you can “lay hands” on a man or woman are substantially different in the urban underclass than in other sectors of society. Physically engaging someone being perceived as disrespecting you is part of that world. The hands off “specialness” of females which is part the cultural mores the of middle and upper class sectors of society is not part of that world to nearly the same degree.
“Smackin’a ho” is not a bluff in urban culture. Physical violence to enforce personal authority, social status, or deal with challenges to it, however slight , are part and parcel of that culture. People on the outside are gazing in frustrated outrage at the graphic results of the fight between them, and the people on the inside are saying “Gosh… what did she do to make him that pissed?”.
While it’s easy for middle class observers to dismiss this attitude as ignorant crazy talk* it is* their reality. It’s almost a cliche that girls coming from urban underclass settings, and feeling they are being disrespected will thrown down without hesitation,and engage in absolutely terrifying levels of violence.
Whether or not the fight itself was an affront to general moral decency is a somewhat separate question as to how the participants in the fight viewed the confrontation in the context of their own actions relative to their cultural context and expectations.
While the results of the fight were black and white in terms of the resulting violence and injuries, the way it’s perceived from various cultural viewpoints is not. Violence isn’t right but from a cultural relativismperspective it’s sometimes acceptable in specific circumstances to the participants.