What was nice about “Atlas of Middle Earth” is that it has a variety of thematic maps that covered geography, realms, peoples, climate and even geology. I still browse that atlas from time to time.
When Amazon said they were doing some LoTR stuff I was really hoping for Beren and Luthien and the Silmarils and whatnot but nope.
You’ve sold me. My copy is coming tomorrow.
You won’t regret it!
It is a great resource. I bought mine long ago and even ended up with an Atlas of Pern by her as I liked the Middle-Earth one so much.
Alas, the film rights they were able to gain for the series were limited to details on the Second Age that were in The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings (particularly information contained in the appendices to RotK); they were unable to use anything directly from The Silmarillion.
She also did an atlas for The Land (Thomas Covenant), Forgotten Realms, and Dragonlance.
I also have the Pern and Land atlases. Quite helpful and fun!
Disagree, kinda. Bilbo and Frodo were largely, though not entirely, unaffected by the Ring for decades because they mostly didn’t use it, and certainly had no idea about trying to use it to exert power over others. Also, they were fundamentally good and humble people, resistant to evil influences.
Gollum/Smeagol, on the other hand, was corrupted by the Ring all the way to the point of murdering his own cousin for it, pretty much as soon as he saw it. We’re told that he was constantly trying to use it for his own advantage, sneaking around and spying on people, besides selfishly gloating over his own possession of it. The fact that most of the evil he did under the Ring’s influence over the course of centuries was quite minor testifies more to what an insignificant little nobody he was than to any innate resistance to moral corruption on his part.
Smeagol was definitely a hobbit. There are three varieties of hobbits, Stoor, Harfoot and Fallohide, who shared an affinity with humans, dwarves and elves (respectively). I think Bilbo and Frodo were Fallohide (or part Fallohide).
While hobbits have some innate strength of spirit they are not unlike humans. Some are good, some are bad some are somewhere in-between. Smeagol was unpleasant before he ever saw the ring and, it seems the ring reinforces such negative traits.
Bilbo and Frodo (and Sam) were of a kinder nature which helped preserve them against the ring.
Remember:
Frodo: “What a pity that Bilbo did not stab that vile creature, when he had a chance!'”
Gandalf: “Pity? It was Pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and Mercy: not to strike without need. And he has been well rewarded, Frodo. Be sure that he took so little hurt from the evil, and escaped in the end, because he began his ownership of the Ring so. With Pity.”
“Yes, it’s a pity I’m out of bullets,” he said.
I don’t think he was disagreeing that Smeagol was a hobbit, but that hobbits were inherently resistant to corruption.
Ok. But, we know Smeagol was a hobbit and he clearly was not very resistant to the One Ring.
Although…and I am just speculating here…maybe Smeagol was resistant. While he was clearly corrupted by the ring he did not do anything but keep it to himself and covet it under a mountain. He was under no compulsion to return it to Sauron.
So, the ring’s corruption was still thwarted by a hobbit.
It depends on how you see him, In my view (old time Tolkien fanatic) he lost the name “Melkor” for this acts and is now and forever “Morgoth” the dark foe.
My wife likes Tolkien but has a rebel streak on her and sees him as a fellow rebel against authority, so she calls him “Melkor”.
People with no invested emotions on the character can call him how they want, there’s no “official” name.
He definitely was, all hobbits that carried the ring proved unusually resistant to it (well we don’t now about poor Deagol but he carried it for about a minute).
I think Sauron would not have bothered to make rings for Hobbits, they were too insignificant, if he had they would probably intensified their xenophobic, conservative tendencies (distrust of anything “not natural” or “weird”) into outright racism and xenophobia.
“Morgoth” is just what the Caliquendi called him. He certainly earned that epithet, but the Eldar didn’t have the power to strip the mightiest (in the beginning) of the Ainur of his given name, bestowed by Eru. IMHO anyway.
I’ve done a cursory search of HOMES and some other stuff, but I can’t find anything about what the other Ainur called him in later days after the Two Trees died, when they were just hanging out, telling stories about the good old times.
Looking back at the real early stuff about Melko (his name in the first drafts), it does amuse me to find that there are two Vala who are rather supportive of/sympathetic to him; Makar and his sister Meássë. But they were some sketchy characters too, and eventually got edited out.
The Caliquendi and all right thinking people! ![]()
I must admit, his full epithet as “Dark Foe of the World, The Constrainer, Faithless and Accursed” does have a lovely ring to it. Really rolls off my tongue. I have used that same phrase to describe a lot of current people on the world stage.
I know; sorry, I think I didn’t make my point quite clear. As Dr.Drake said, what I* was disagreeing with Civil_Guy about was the notion that hobbits as a group had natural immunity to moral corruption by the Ring.
Bilbo and Frodo in particular resisted its corruption, but that’s largely because, as both you and I pointed out, they were good and moral individuals, unlike Smeagol/Gollum.
With all due deference to the authoritative knowledge of the subject implied by your username,
I think there’s a distinction to be made here between physical “fading” and moral corruption.
Yes, hobbits in general (as far as we can tell from the limited data about Smeagol, Bilbo, Frodo and Sam) seem to have had a natural resistance to the physical tendency of the Rings to “wraithify” people: they remained fully corporeal, unlike the lords of the Nine who became the Nazgul. But that’s different from being able to resist the Ring’s moral corruption, which it’s clear that Bilbo and Frodo (and Sam) could do but Smeagol couldn’t.
*(btw, pronouns she/her, not “he”, not that it matters a rat’s ass in this particular context but in case anybody was confused about the attribution)
I don’t think you can read too much into this. We don’t know exactly how long it took for the Nazgûl to become fully disembodied, but it wasn’t a rapid onset thing - they lived extended mortal lifespans first before slipping into the Unseen world, during which they used their rings a lot, no doubt - there’s some 550 years between the War of Elves and Sauron, and the first appearance of the Nazgûl. We’re told “They had, as it seemed, unending life” - that’s not going to be remarked if they popped off to the Shadow World after a mere few decades of lordship and sorcery, is it?
Bilbo had already started fading after around 60 years (during which he used the Ring a bit, we’re told).
Gollum hasn’t faded after ~500 years, but we’re explicitly told this is because he didn’t wear the Ring much.
For it was long since he had worn it much: in the black darkness it was seldom needed. Certainly he had never “faded”.
So I think while known Hobbits are canonically resistant to fading, it’s circumstantial, not congenital, IMO.
As a side note, based on the Silmarillion, it’s clear not all the Nazgûl started out as evil, either:
And one by one, sooner or later, according to their native strength and to the good or evil of their wills in the beginning, they fell under the thraldom of the ring that they bore.
So just being good is clearly no proof against fading.
At least they were able to set it aside. Isildur knew first hand Sauron’s perfidy, escaping the destruction of Numenor, moving to Middle Earth with his gather and brother, yet refused to destroy the Ring the first time he laid his hand on it, claiming it as weregeld for their deaths.