It starts with a non-eyewitness claim of racism. Then an eyewitness who was on the floor explains that it had nothing to do with racism (the note at the top).
So now you’re saying that eyewitnesses are not good judges, or they are?
And anyone can watch what happened - including what had happened just before the clip, which isn’t shown in this clip.
It’s simply absurd to think that a large group of Republican delegates shouted down one of their own officers speaking on the floor of the convention because she is Latina. That’s completely ridiculous. The fact that you would even believe that shows that this is about your bias against Republicans. And it’s obvious. It’s why you have no credibility, and any Republican who confronts you is going to call you on it.
lance strongarm - you seem to be operating under the assumption that racism is a binary condition - either one is racist or performs racist acts, or they don’t. Peanut throwers can be boorish, sexist, racist in any range of configurations. Similarly, this idiotic behavior could be spurred by any permutation of negativity.
It seems beyond ridiculous that one would argue that it’s an either or proposition. Maybe these dolts are primarily assholes and only slightly racist, or card-carrying Klan members. The bottom line is, racism isn’t necessarily something you get to self-define. Others will ascribe that quality to you based on your behavior. Just like being “nice” or “kind” are not qualities you get to define all by yourself. Your actions will demonstrate whether that quality applies to you or not.
It is NOT ridiculous to think this group of Yahoos are capable of ANYTHING. What IS ridiculous is that I would take the RNC’s word on anything, because A. they are trying to put their best forward at a convention where there is obviously CLEAR divisions, and B. the Latina woman was greeted with USA USA, and she just happens to be the Puerto Rican National Chair.
So REGARDLESS of the Paulists’ acting up, the fact remains the chants ONLY started when SHE walked on stage, they didn’t do that when Prebius was out there prior to her being introduced. If the Paulists were that upset, why didn’t they go after the guy that rendered the vote about the Paulist delegates from Maine? Why did they save their vitriol for the Puerto Rican chair? It was sickening. The chants got louder the longer she stood there.
The link says that “one of the delegates who said he was among those who started the chant” claims to have initiated it for non-racist reasons. Even if that is true for him, nothing in the link definitively establishes the reasons that all the other people who joined in did so. After the fact, the apologists claim one thing; the possible racists remain silent.
Do you really think this is totally persuasive of anything in particular about either the floor disturbance or the original scenario? Or is it in fact just one more instance of you grinding an ever finer point on “possibly”?
Trinopus seemed to have a meta level handle on this discussion. I wonder of he still does after it evolved. Help us Obi Wan Trinopus. You’re our only hope.
Yes, it is ridiculous. They are capable of alot, but not anything.
If someone told you he was watching the convention and the RNC pulled out a burning cross on the stage, would you actually believe that happened? You’s believe that without hesitation? If they told you a delegate made a motion to kill all the negroes, and it was adopted, you’d swallow that whole?
And we can pick between two scenarios, one reasonable and one ridiculous. You will pick the ridiculous only because of your existing bias against the GOP, which you self-reinforce.
Because her turn on stage was next.
You’re just digging the hole deeper. You’re completely proving my point about your credibility.
Have you ever been to a convention? Do you understand how Roberts Rules work? The Paulists were chanting “point of order.” They continued to do so even as the convention continued its business, because they were angry.
Because they were competing with other delegates trying to drown them out.
No, it’s gotta be that whenever a Latina officer of their party comes on stage, they yell racist epithets at her. Yeah, that’s it.
Seriously, your ridiculous bias is showing loud and clear now. I’m glad I pushed you on this, it shows how completely lacking in credibility your judgment is.
Oh, did you hear about the burning cross they brought out next? No, really!
Someone earlier on this thread actually cited a fake, parody site to justify her claims that the right wingers are really racist. She was so sure of it that she believed a site that was taking their views to crazy extremes as satire. I wonder if you’d fall for that too.
You’re rich. You can’t even entertain the notion that things could be VERY different than what some RNC operative wants you to believe. An operative who has a helluva lot more to gain by calming the fire than by giving creedance to what people witnessed at that convention. This party is so out of touch ANYTHING is possible. I am far more willing to believe that the RNC tries to cover up their crazies but it always bleeds out. Hell the Paulists are racists.
You have a leader who gets cozy with an Ultra Conservative, dare I say RACIST congressman, and an absolute Batshit Crazy religious zealot who likes to semi “joke” about beating women, and you’re worried about “possible racism”
I saw what happened on the floor, on the video. This supports his contention.
But the important point is that the idea that a bunch of delegates suddenly decided to loudly shout down one of their own party officers because she is Latina is simply inane.
So if someone told you they brought out a cross and burnt it on stage, or passed a resolution to kill all black people - you’d believe it without question?
You didn’t answer me before.
If you say “yes” it means your judgment and connection to reality is as loony as you say theirs is.
If you say “no” then you’re admitting I’m right.
You can’t judge one incident based on what someone else said some other time or who was cozy with whom.
PFST!! You saw something on the floor, you knew NOTHING except what some operative told you. What we SAW was the Puerto Rican Chair get pelted with chants of USA USA… trying to drown out who? The Paulists? WTF she even joined in the chants until they wouldn’t stop.
I say just Maybe that’s BULLSHIT because they didn’t drown out the guy with the gavel BEFORE she walked on stage. You know, the friggen CHAIR of the RNC who held the VOTE should have been shouted down, he’s the object of their anger, not her.
And just Maybe they saw an opportunity and couch it in turning Robert’s Rules of Order on it’s head.
I don’t put anything past these people. Obviously you think they’re wonderful.
I take the explanation of someone on the floor, who was there, along with my own observations, over your whacky interpretation.
You really don’t know how conventions work. You’ve never actually been to one, or watched them closely, have you?
She walked on before they stopped chanting. They were trying to keep things moving, but the Paulists wanted to keep protesting. Then the anti-Paulists launched a counterchant. It all happened before she knew what was going on, and accelerated after she got on stage. It was her time to walk on stage so she did.
That’s it. That’s your wild racist conspiracy.
Yes, you will believe absolutely anything.
Nope. I just don’t believe absolutely anything.
And again, when I criticize Republicans, it’s credibile. When you do it, nobody’s going to listen because you’ll believe anything.
You are living proof that people will believe anything, no matter how loony, if it fits their prejudice against a certain group. In other words, exactly like racists do. Ironic.
You weren’t there so stop being dismissive. There are others who WERE there and were told not to believe what they saw.
And really, haven’t you had enough fun with the name calling? You don’t have to be a pompous ass the size of Rush Limbaugh to make your point.