There’s no bile about the teaching certificate, there’s a lot of bile about the lying. When I post a cite saying 5 years and then Rubystreak claims my cite says 3 years and mocks my reading comprehension over it, I was a little miffed. Then claiming that the initial comment was never said, when it was clearly stated in his/her post, that just went over the edge. I’m sad someone that would keep lying to ‘win’ an arguement on the internet is teaching our youth.
As for past issues? I dunno, I could have had a run in with Rubystreak in the past, but I sure don’t remember it.
fachverwirtt, I’m not sure what you have to do anymore. Used to be you could get your undergrad degree in whatever, get the MAT, and teach. Now, your undergrad degree has to have a “pedagogical core.” Not sure if you take care of those ed requirements as an undergrad, if you can just get an MA, take the exams, and get a cert.
You are lying now. You’re more than a little miffed. I think your OP more than adequately demonstrates my assertion that you have some problem with me beyond this little dust-up. Either that, or you have a very low tolerance for people not doing exactly as you say and agreeing with you all the time. Either way, you have a problem.
You’re not sad. You’re an asshole with a beef he won’t admit to. I think I’ve amply proven that I wasn’t lying. Lazy, not willing to accommodate you, self-righteous, operating on outdated information? I’d cop to any of those. Lying? Nope.
Funny, that you can accuse me of lying and then type this with a straight face. Your OP is my cite.
Sorry, not a cite, but a personal anecdote that directly relates to your question so I figure it might count. My sister has a Masters in music performance too, not in Education, and she’s been teaching music in both elementary and middle schools here in NYC for about fifteen years. So my guess is that things might be the same here – the requirement is a Masters in field of expertise, not Education. Or maybe this is just true for music teachers, I dunno.
Doesn’t seem all that reasonable to me. People are assholes in the Pit (and other, less acceptable forums) all the time without spawning vitriolic OP’s like this. Also, he didn’t Pit me because I was an asshole to him. That I would have admitted to, because I don’t fucking like the guy, yeah, I was an asshole to him. What, someone’s being an asshole in the Pit? Oh noes! :rolleyes: Fact is, he Pitted me because he claims I am lying. I’m not.
I wish I weren’t sick so I could go out and not feel the need to respond to every comment made in this thread.
Yes, it’s assholish. Never denied that, but in context, it’s not a whole lot more assholish than business as usual in the Pit. I feel its assholishness is dwarfed by the assholishness of the OP of this thread.
The appropriate response to an assholish response is either to ignore it, respond rationally, or open a Pit thread. Kidchameleon chose the 2nd, and when you continued to be an asshole, opened the Pit thread.
Which is entirely reasonable.
I suspect Kidchameleon was trying to match you in degree of assholishness, but in fact surpassed you. You never know whose shit is going to stink worse until the two piles are sitting side by side.
Did someone say it did? I don’t think female teachers need sensitivity training to deal with male students because it’s covered in their education. Was my point.
I had a feeling his shit was pretty shitty, which is why I was an asshole to him. Should have just ignored him, but I don’t like the guy and I didn’t feel like being nice and accommodating. I didn’t lie to win an argument, though. I wish I could say I was sorry I was an asshole to him, but I’m not. In fact, I feel totally justified. So this thread was informative in that respect.
Married to a NYS teacher so I thought I’d point something out…
The new rules for getting the initial certificate do in fact let you get a 5 year grace period on getting a Master’s, however you do need to complete a certain amount of student teaching even for the initial cert. This is a big deal because it means that if you did not attend an undergraduate program for education you would almost certainly have to have completed (or be most of the way through) a MAT or similar program just to complete the student teaching requirement.
Put another way, it means that virtually all teachers starting after 2004 will have to have a degree (whether undergrad or graduate) from a program specializing in education just to get the initial certificate.
I mention this because it’s relevant to the discussion about how long teachers stay in the profession… if you are looking at attending a specialized program just to get the initial cert, you are probably not intending to bail out in 3-4 years. You’re going to plan on getting the master’s as soon as you can to get it out of the way so that you can continue after 5 years.
No, I don’t think you lied deliberately either. I think you forgot what you said, and since you were so certain of your rightness, didn’t go back and look.
Rubystreak, if you have an (admitted) grudge against kidchameleon, isn’t it possible that he was just responding to the tone of your comments based on your grudge and not based on a grudge of his own that he’s holding?
If there’s more to this grudge, I haven’t seen it in this thread.
One of those statements, and possibly both, are not true. You knew the first quote wasn’t true when you said it. Unfortunately for you, someone called you on it, and now you’re going for the Gold Medal in backpedaling. In other words, you’re a liar, only you’re not very good at it.
I have admitted as much wrongdoing as I’m going to admit in this thread. Lying is not one of those things. Having already admitted that I misspoke, that I’m a bitch AND an asshole on occasion, I’m not sure what further you want of me. You want to watch while the aliens from SciFi molest me? Fuck you too.
Wow. Ruby, good choice to leave. You’ve made yourself look pretty bad here. As far as insults go, I think the sci-fi thing was meant to be over-the-top ridiculous to the point that it wasn’t meant. Akin to the oft stated line in the pit
You’ve turned an argument that was at best one of semantics, to a clinic on hissy fits. Congratulations.
My sister has a Masters in music performance too, not in Education, and she’s been teaching music in both elementary and middle schools here in NYC for about fifteen years. So my guess is that things might be the same here – the requirement is a Masters in field of expertise, not Education. Or maybe this is just true for music teachers, I dunno.