I don’t know. The ACA is unpopular according to many polls, but you’re tempting me.
Can you throw in a kicker or two? Get Czarcasm to answer my questions and elucidator to make a substantive post to the thread maybe?
Having seen how you respond to people trying to fulfill your other requests, I don’t think so.
More info on Charlotte Bergmann.
So that’s it, then? You’re just going to sit back and snipe at me? But you won’t answer a simple question asked in good faith?
How far you’ve sunk.
Others have answered in good faith, only to have you dismiss them automatically. Why should I presume that this time you are acting in good faith? You have twisted almost every bit of evidence given you.
My Grandma once told me that the wise learn from their mistakes…but the wiser learn from the mistakes of others.
Wait, what? You’re suggesting you’ve been acting in good faith? You’re discounting evidence in the form of multiple pictures, anecdotes, video clips and polling results… you’re ignoring Bricker’s efforts to point out the downsides to your behavior… and you’re saying someone else has sunk low…
and you’re the one showing “good faith”?
So let’s assume ACA is defunded or even stopped outright based upon the polls “will of the people.” Does everyone think we will be returned to the current broken health care system they think still exists, because it actually doesn’t?
During the entire Congressional debate of ACA, as well as the slogging through the courts until SCOTUS said ACA was legitimate, do you really think the insurance companies sat on their hands? Do you recall the news stories on how they began changing their new and existing policies while everyone was focused on ACA? Do you recall how the insurance companies started adding more and more pre-existing conditions requirements, because I do. Are people that naive to think that killing ACA (as unknown as it is) is worse than all the changes insurance companies made to the current broken system while everyone was distracted?
Yes. I have.
I haven’t ignored anything. One picture has been posted, not multiple. Anecdotes aren’t cites. Video clips we’ve discussed at length. The most recent one I didn’t argue with and acknowledged since it’s finally the smoking gun you guys have been searching for. Only one polling result was posted, which again I didn’t argue with too much. It’s a silly question in a silly poll but I didn’t dispute the validity of it.
Also on the contrary, I didn’t ignore Bricker. I took what he had to say to heart.
I don’t know what the insurance companies have been up to.
But I haven’t seen any changes to my coverage, which like most Americans I’m quite happy with.
ISTM the slip-up he made was in bringing up the [Postal Service]. It would have been far more apropos for him to have said If you like Medicare, you’ll love the way they provide single provider healthcare…
Dude, you have been shown to be wrong on pretty much every prong of this question, and you’re even wrong on a sentence-to-sentence basis within this post. The “I’m confused” answer is “I don’t know.” I’m firmly convinced by your good grasp of English in this thread that even you can’t stick to the idea that that’s an “unreasonable interpretation.” The Medicare question came before all the progressively goofier questions which only merited asking to begin with because significant minorities of Republicans believe in the conspiracy theories related to them.
Nonetheless this is mildly entertaining, in the way that the first quarter of Alabama’s game Saturday against Georgia State will be, so here is what will probably be my last question to you in this thread:
How can you explain that as few as 24% of Democrats and as many as 62% of Republicans were “tricked” by the question? Isn’t that a staggering gap regardless of attribution? Are you trying to allege that more than twice as many Republicans as Democrats can’t understand simple questions? That’s much worse than everybody else’s interpretation that many Republicans are merely misinformed about how government works.
Well, goody gumdrops for you! Know anybody who isn’t? I personally know people who have been royally sca-rewed by their insurance provider, do you? I know people who have been worried sick about whether or not they could provide for a child with a pre-existing condition, how about you?
Yes, but people don’t like saying they don’t know. Even if you ask a question that doesn’t make sense or is a trick question like this one people are usually more willing to just interpret it in some way that makes sense to them and then answer.
You agree that it’s a trick question, right? It’s asking if government should get involved in something that the government runs.
Do Republicans think that Hawaii isn’t part of the US? I hadn’t heard that one before. Is that a Birther thing?
No.
Yes.
No. I don’t they can’t understand simple questions. I don’t know what to think of that poll, to be honest.
If I had to guess I’d say that Republicans in general don’t like government involvement in Healthcare and answered no on that question because they oppose single payer or ACA and want to keep Medicare as it is. (Was ACA even fully formed as a concept that point in 2009?) A lot of how people answered probably has to do with what was going on at that specific time four years ago.
Yes. I have a few anecdotes too.
But I also know people that have been screwed over by their bank. I know people who feel they got ripped off at the grocery store. The car dealer. The weather channel said it wouldn’t rain the other day and it did.
Clearly we need the government to nationalize all of these industries. Or at the very least pass a version of ACA for all of them. It would be great for the economy. Think of how many people we could employ at the paper mills with all the bills we’d need to write!
Shafted by the bank? Anybody die? Ripped of by the grocery store? Anybody die? Car dealer? Anybody suffer pain and ill-health needlessly? There’s a difference.
If people cannot go to the doctor for routine medical problems, they will get worse. You either shrug and say “Fuck 'em let them go to the Emergency Room” or you do something about it. Choose.
Whoa, elucidator.
Did Really Not All That Bright put you up to this (from post #301)?
If he gets Czarcasm to start responding to my questions I might have a deal on my hands with him.
This post isn’t the usual drive by snark. It’s thoughtful, powerful, and pithy. I’m finding myself actually struggling for a moment to answer.
Well done. I knew you had it in you.
Of course the answer is this is a false choice. Just like with anti-poverty programs, government intervention often makes a problem worse not better. Forcing me to choose between letting someone die, whether from lack of health care, food, shelter, or whatever and paying for them to get a free ride aren’t the only two options.
In fact it’s government meddling back in WWII that got us in this mess with our health care linked to our employers. The solution for healthcare can be more in the direction of more choice for consumers, including across state lines, private accounts for health savings, less regulation and red tape for doctors, etc. It doesn’t have to be Obamacare or the ER. There are other ways to improve the system.
Of course the best improvement is to lower taxes and grow the economy so that more people are working and have good coverage in the first place.
Actually, the best option is to treat health care like education: everyone is free to spend as much as they want on it, but that everyone gets a certain basic level of it.
Well for it to be like education works in this country it would be more like this:
Everyone in a nice city or town gets a basic level of it, and if they have money they can purchase a high amount of it. But people in the inner city basically don’t get it at all.
So your response is to say nobody should get it unless you can buy it on your own, and hope and pray to the economy fairy that everyone gets rich in the future. I’m sure that’s a huge boon to the inner cities.