Posting off-topic is not an offense to take to the mods. I just thought it was a weak argument. Even if you don’t accept that, I hope it would encourage other posters to keep this thread about Limbaugh and not be distracted by what someone else may have done.
I thought it was (a reportable thing), but nevermind. Still, I do think it’s both permissible proper to contrast Limbaugh’s behavior with that of his critics, which is what I’ve been doing.
I thought you were contrasting Limbaugh’s behavior with that of Pelosi, et al., to suggest that Limbaugh’s critics here were hypocritical in condemning one and not the other. Now are you saying that posters here are themselves untrustworthy?
I should have known not to respond to one of your idiotic posts… You completely ignored the part of my post that proved the opinion that the health insurance profits are obscene and immoral.
People do not die from a lack of Coors or gas or Tupperware. People are not forced into bankruptcy because they cannot afford to buy Clorox bleach or Molson.
The fact that people - PEOPLE - are suffering and dying while health insurance companies deny coverage, deny policies, price policies out of reach, etc. so they can make that profit is, in my opinion, outrageous. They are in the business because they make huge amounts of money.
So, you can disagree with the Democrats’ opinions all you want - knock yourself out - but that does not make them liars. The Democrats are entitled to their opinion that the profits are obscene and immoral just as RL is entitled to his opinions and you are to yours.
The difference is that RL has been proved a liar many, many times - and this last instance proves it again. He is not a mind-reader.
Insurance companies make* two or three percent*, you friggin’ imbecile! What do you expect them to do, operate at a loss?
And I ignored your stupid comment about Tupperware and Coors because it means nothing. What you’re saying in effect is that it’s okay for Tupperware to make a profit because people aren’t harmed for lack of it, but insurance companies shouldn’t make a profit because some people who need it don’t have it. That would be like me saying that because I can’t afford a Maserati, whatever profits Maserati makes are immoral and obscene. It’s nonsense.
And besides, like I said you could take away every cent of insurance company profits and people will still pay 97% as much for their coverage anyway.
And you call me an idiot! :rolleyes:
Or we could go to a single-payer system and people would pay 60-70% what they do now for medical coverage that couldn’t be cancelled as soon as you they actually needed it.
But then we’d be in a socialist hellhole and have to salute the [del]President[/del] [del]Premier[/del] Fuhrer’s portrait. In the name of Allah, or something.
I sat down to do the math when I got my pay stub the other day. Even if the taxes withheld from my pay were doubled, I would come out ahead if I did not have to pay for health insurance.
This does not even take into account the fact my employer pays ~2/3 of my premium.
This also does not take into account the time I would save by not having to call to argue with United Healthcare every single time one of my kids has to see a doctor.
I think the ONLY industry that would lose under a single payer plan would be the insurance industry.
No - I expect the greedy, dishonest, coverage denying bunch of them to go bust if they cannot or will not provide universal coverage. We don’t owe any industry a living. If they can’t compete - tough shit.
And you’re a moron. I blame the 1960’s.
So, where are the goal posts now? Seems like just a soon as I line up for my field goal, the goalposts are dismantled and moved to another county. Started out about whether or not Rushbo, the Orca of the Airwaves, was lying. Then it was about proving that if Rushbo had ever once told the truth, then he wasn’t always lying, and then the people who say he always lies are thereby proven wrong. And then it was whether anybody else had ever lied, about anything, ever, which would prove…something.
And now its about whether or not Pelosi et. al. had ever fudged the numbers on health insurance profits, because that would prove that MoveOn is a liar, and that would mean Rushbo gets a pass. Or something.
The Starkers Goalpost Moving Company! “We can dismantle the goalposts and move them ten miles away while the ball is in the air!”
Hang on. We’ll get to Clinton’s blowjob sooner or later.
Well, there is some evidence that Rushbo thought it was legit, hence, wasn’t lying from the git-go. If you look at some of the extended excerpts, you see him ripping into the thesis that he thought really existed. He’s ripping it apart for its sub-sophomoric analyses of the Constitution, and he’s right in the sense that the positions in the faux thesis are far too stupid to be taken seriously.
But he does! The contempt fairly drips from him as he laces into it, the triumph over that smarty-pants Eastern college Ivy League elitist is a glorious moment for him. So, yeah, he very well may have believed it was the genuine article, as he so desperately wanted to believe that Obama was one of those college-educated idiots that figure so prominently in his list of dearly held prejudices. He apparently didn’t notice the anomaly of the stupidity of “his college thesis”, that somebody with a sterling academic record would have produced such a laughable travesty for serious consideration.
Wanting desperately to believe that he is smarter than Obama, he found a way to do just that! And clung to that even when advised that it was all horseshit, he “knows he really believes that”, all evidence notwithstanding.
So, it is entirely possible that Rush isn’t so much a liar (in this one instance!) as a pathetically self-deluded maroon.
You are an idiot. A lying, dishonest idiot.
Overhead stupid. Do you understand what profit is? It’s the amount that’s left over after you pay out medical bills and the overhead. In this case the overhead for private insurance versus medicare is 11 to 2 percent respectively. Cite: Administrative costs - The New York Times
So now that we’re up to 12% are you ready to eat some crow?
There are other changes to the system as well that will lower costs by shifting the incentives to fewer procedures, increased access to preventative medicine and so on.
Doesn’t it bug you to be proven wrong time after time after time? Don’t you have any pride?
That’s practically a definition for 21st century conservatives. 
Although I did not call you one, you certainly do appear to be an idiot. I’ll type slower this time.
We were discussing lying. My posts demonstrate WHY Pelosi et al. are not lying, as you claimed, but merely expressing an opinion, because there are ways to look at the insurance companies’ profits and still honestly consider them immoral and obscene.
Maybe health insurance ought not be compared to other (individually unnecessary) commodities, and perhaps an industry that makes *billions *of dollars in profit each year while some 45,000 people die each year for lack of health insurance could indeed be considered “bad.” Just because you look at the topic with little dollar signs in your eyes (i.e., more profit = “good” or “moral”) does not make them liars.
This.
I don’t agree with Pelosi et al’s characterization. But “immoral” and “obscene” are not objective words. They clearly express an opinion. One inference might be that the profit margins are high; an equally credible inference is that the notion of profiting by denying medical coverage under certain circumstances is itself obscene or immoral.
Her opinion is wrong, but it’s an opinion.
Actually your opinion is wrong.
No you.