I only wear one shoe. It’s a Right Wingtip.
Unspeakable. Disgraceful. Anti-semantic.
Note to self: move december back to the top of The List. Add Washte for encouraging him.
Scylla:
Okey doke.
“There are more American Indians alive today than there were when Columbus arrived or at any other time in history. Does this sound like a record of genocide?” See, I Told You So, p68
“Do you know we have more acreage of forest land in the United States today than we did at the time the constitution was written.” Radio Show, 2/18/94
Obligatory link to FAIR report, and obligatory caveat that FAIR is an advocacy organization.
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Yep he said these things. I heard the one about indians personally. See if I can find sound bites.
Yeah, id trust that all right.
The accuracy of Limbaugh’s claim depends on definitions and on one’s estimate of Native American population 500 years ago. As Gadarene warns, FAIR is an advocacy organization. Their “refutation” consists of one source with different estimates than those used by Limbaugh. It’s likely that Limbaugh has a source for his claim. I didn’t find it in a quick search, but did find this;
[quote]
[ul][li]There are approximately 1.9 million self-identified Indians in the United States. (Self-identified means there was a box on the 1990 Census form that said Indian - if the box was marked, that individual was counted as Indian. []Of that 1.9 million - 1.2 million Indians are tribally enrolled.[]700,00 people consider themselves Indian but are not enrolled.There are an estimated 10 to 15 million people who have a discernible degree of Indian blood but have lost their tribal connection. [/ul][/li][/quote]
So, FAIR is right in saying that there are 2 million Native Americans, but one could alternatively say that there are 12 to 17 million.
I didn’t see anything in the FAIR cite about forest acreage. Did I overlook it?
I think so…my quote above is a direct cut-and-paste. Unfortunately, FAIR seems to be down at the moment, so I can’t go back to the page and tell you where exactly to find it.
And your point about estimating the Native American population is noted–given the general U.S. population trend from 1492 to today, it’s certainly possible that there are more people with some Native American blood somewhere in them now than then. But I gotta say, Limbaugh’s conclusory rhetorical question–"[d]oes this sound like a record of genocide?"–is at best spectacularly ignorant of history and at worst shamefully disingenuous. Either way, it’s pretty offensive to suggest that the Native American population of this continent was not systematically and intentionally, um, culled.
Doesn’t genocide include forcible relocation from a territory?
Ah, come on elucidator. How often does december make a funny?
Granted I’ve not read the entire thread, just the comment:
And his sunsequent post that made me smile.
Perhaps his ice is beginning to melt and we can see his humour in there somewhere…
Depends on whether or not he melts quickly enough. Come the Revolution, he goes to the wall.
As to the genocidal policy stuff, a tricky distinction would have to be noted. No one truly knows how many Native Americans there were before Hell Arrived in Boats. Jared Diamond in Guns, Germs and Steel makes a worthy attempt at estimate, but admits any numbers must be fuzzy. Equally fuzzy is the massive decline in such population due to diseases brought to these shores by the Hairy Faces. We know (as in pretty sure) it was tantamount to a biological Holocaust. For my own purposes, I accept about 90% as a good estimate. A rebound in population under such circumstances is virtually inevitable.
This massacre was, of course, entirely unintentional. Numerous instances of slaughter and mayhem are documented, but they had ultimately small impact on a population so entirely decimated. Nonetheless, the historical record is heartlessly clear. The Orca of the Airwaves indulges himself in massive revisionism to claim otherwise.
As one who is inordinately proud of the smattering of Cherokee blood I carry, I can’t take any personal offense, as it is an example of one set of my ancestors massacreing another. But he’s full of shit in this instance. Big time, downtown, he picks his nose for turds, not boogers.
Since Gadarene handled the cite thing, for our amusement, here are some more of Rush’s well researched facts:
“The larger the brasize, the smaller the IQ.”
“The poorest people in America are better
off than the mainstream families of Europe”
“It has not been proven that nicotine is addictive, the
same with cigarettes causing emphysema and other diseases.”
“Styrofoam and plastic milk jugs are biodegradeable!
Do you know what isn’t biodegradeable? Paper!”
“Even if polar ice caps melted, there would be no rise in
ocean levels”
It goes on and on. Rush is a liar. He is a propaganda monkey.
If you really want a cite for these, I’m sure I can find one somewhere, but he said them, and was even dumb enought to print some of them.
Yes, please.
Actually most of its in the fair report.
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~fayxx001/text/limbaugh.txt
as a alternative source of the text.
Rushes refusal to debate franken should be a dead giveaway.
The colonists did at least discuss, and are strongly suspected of, using disease as a weapon to kill Indians.
A little local history, in my hometown Erie, PA there was a battle between two talk radio stations one conservative one very conservative. Rush was on station one followed by a local liberal host to give balance on political issues as well as the usual community service topics. The liberal host was in the habit of correcting Rush’s lies and he would refer to Mr. Limbaugh as “the round mound of sound.”
Station two the very conservative one wanted Limbaugh and his good ratings for their smaller station so they recorded the liberal hosts diatribes against Rush and sent them to Mr. Limbaugh’s people. With in a few weeks the liberal host was let go from his job because any station carrying Limbaugh must refrain from personal attacks against Rush or his program will be pulled from the offending station.
Rush can dish it out but can’t take it.
BTW The two radio stations have since merged into one very very right wing one with
this kind of lineup: two local conservatives starting at 6:00am followed by one local conservative followed by Paul Harvey followed by Rush followed by Sean Hannity followed by Bill O’Reilly followed by the Bible answer man ending at 11:00pm 17 hours of nothing but right wing opinion. All non-coservative opinion has been purged from my area.
Where is the liberal media when you need them??:mad:
Re: forest acreage under control of the US at the signing of the Declaration, of course there’s going to be more. Even excusing “it wasn’t a country, no matter how much it said it was, until it won its independence”, what percent of the land we have now did we have back then?
Hehehehehehe…
We’re just waiting for that one shoe to drop, buckaroo!
Icerigger-do you get KDKA up there? We have Fred Honsberger, the Pittsburgh’s Rush Limbaugh.
Well, it’s true-in Rush’s case. The man has to be at least a B-cup.
I generally find that its my IQ that drops in the presence of massive melons, fleshy orbs, etc.
Nipples ?