I don’t think on the same liberal douche idiot plane that most other posters here do. I don’t think anyone is GOOD!! or BAD!!! (meaning to be defended or reviled at all times without regard to particular situatiions); rather, I look at the actual facts of actual situations and use actual arguments each time.
You’re still not getting what I was saying. I was saying that just because some people are focusing on connotation it doesn’t mean they are right. The original post of yours I responded to seemed to indicate the opposite.
Unlike Starving Artist here, whose favorite phrase to use is “Conservatives think liberals have bad ideas, liberals think conservatives are bad people.” Yeah, that’s not a mantra at all, and certainly not one shown to be incorrect by Rush and Coulter and those who defend them.
How did you ever pass third grade? Words mean things, you dipshit.
I have to pick up three things at the store: bacon, eggs, and milk.
There are three students in this class who got an A: Joey, Rick, and Susan.
There are three groups of people who do such horrible things that their motives don’t matter: rapists, murderers, and liberals.
You cannot take any one of those three lists and move them into the others. “I have to pick up three things at the store: Joey, eggs, and liberals.” If it were “just” a list, then the meaning wouldn’t matter so much. Clearly Joey, Rick, and Susan are the smartest kids in the class, and clearly rapists, murderers, and liberals are awful human beings in Rush’s view.
I don’t know why I do this. You guys would deny that fish swim if doing otherwise meant you had to agree with liberals.
For the last time: JUST BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE FOCUSING ON CONNOTATION DOESN’T MEAN THEY ARE RIGHT.
I AGREE WITH THIS.
IT’S BLINDINGLY FUCKING OBVIOUS.
Are we clear now?
My original post did not indicate the opposite of this; it indicated that everyone agrees on denotation of the words, the disagreement is on connotation.
Well, let me be the first to thank you for soiling yourself on our douche plane in order to share your message of… oh, I’m sorry, your thoughtful case-by-case observations.
Now, a follow up: do you think it might be kind of offensive if a political commentator implies that a certain group are not unadjacent to some particularly heinous people (say, rapists and murderers, for the purposes of this hypothetical)? Taking into account, of course, my post on the previous page where I noted that the thread title is indeed misleading.
Observations are mantras? In order to be a mantra, doesn’t something have to be repeated over and over and pretty much in succession? I doubt I’ve said that a half dozen times out of my 6,000+ posting history.
This is rich, coming from someone who apparently doesn’t know what mantra means. Still, I know I’m starting to score points when posters like you begin resorting to personal vituperation.
No, again your premise is false. Rush isn’t saying they’re awful human beings; he’s saying that some things have such serious and harmful consequences that they have to be stopped and that the motivation for them, whether benign (liberal) or malevolent (rapists, murderers), doesn’t matter.
No, it just seems that way because (many, Zoe ;)) liberals so rarely say things that make that kind of sense. This thread is a perfect example.
Only because they don’t sell Joey and eggs at the Apple Store.
Bolding mine.
Yeah, I’m done here.
A. I have never made a false attribution
B. I do not quote out of context.
C. I do not equate my political opponents with rapists and murderers.
D. The Stoid Pittings have been thorough, brutal, and multiple.
The truth wants to be your friend, Shodan, it really does…why won’t you let it in?
But apparently you can pick up Susan there.
I’m in total agreement with Bricker! :::Anxiously checks for OTHER horsemen of the Apocalypse:::
Rand Rover, jesus, don’t you have any imagination at all? “Liberal douche this, liberal douche that.” Maybe if you didn’t have your head so far up the ass of Ayn Rand’s festering corpse you could come up with something new.
So much for “Conservatives think liberals have bad ideas, liberals think conservatives are bad people,” eh? :dubious:
I don’t think Rush meant that liberals were the SAME as rapists and murderers-however, I think he was putting them in the same catagory DELIBERATELY, just to get a reaction. Because that’s what he does. He’s a nasty, miserable, stupid old troll. And I don’t know why anyone bothers to defend this shithead. Why not just start a thread slobbering over how hot Ann Coulter is? (shudders)
(BTW, it’s a good thing that Rush isn’t a prosecutor or an investigator-doesn’t one HAVE to consider motive when trying to solve a crime like rape and/or murder? Duh.)
I did not say Rush was “comparing” liberals with rapists and murderers…he would have been far less inflammatory if he had compared them, in that such a comparison would readily reveal the enormous differences. What he did was suggest that they were equally evil things by grouping them together.
Your assessment of what your example reveals is also incorrect. While you may not be “comparing” milk with bacon and eggs, you are grouping things which are enormously alike in a host of ways. All three are:
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Food
high in protein
naturally high in fat
Naturally high water content
Usually the products of industrialized factory farming
Derived from animals
perishable
When eaten as individual components, vs. as part of a “recipe” they are all most frequently consumed at breakfast.
ingredients in Quiche Lorraine
purchased from the same place
[/ul]
Making those three things far more alike than they are not alike, in the context you are referring to them (things you will buy at the store where you buy things to eat). The very fact that you chose those three as examples is revealing: without spending much time or energy on it, your mind pulled out three things you would pick up at the store that, it turns out, are extremely similar, as the mind is likely to do. For the purpose you intended, you’d have been better served by making a list like “milk, a mop, and roach motels”, which all share only one obvious characteristic: they can be purchased at a grocery store. In the same way, Rush could have listed things he didn’t care about motives for as: “liberal Democrats who see this country the way they see it, murderers who murder, and people who talk at movies” Three completely different things, except that they are all “bad” and Rush doesn’t care why.
I refer you to my earlier post in which I referenced how even a child could tell which of the three things Rush chose to “group” is not like the others. Making their grouping rather strange. Unless, of course, you think they are more alike than not.
You and several other posters want to make Rush’s statement context merely “things I don’t care about the motives for.” and leave it at that. Bullshit. In the same way your context includes three things which are far more alike than different, Rush’s list includes things he wants to be perceived as far more alike than different.
If you are being intellectually dishonest for the amusement value it provides, there’s nothing I can say (some would say troll, but I don’t have any energy on that). If you are being genuine, and you really, truly buy the shit you are trying to sell to us, then the only thing I can say is have a nice day. It’s been a slice.
Oh, boy…a whole goody bag full of wrongheadedness:
I’ve never heard of Limbaugh saying all liberals are scum. You’re taking CC’s erroneous slam on Limbaugh and accepting it as fact.
So in other words, the conservatives in this thread have been right and **Stoid **was wrong.
We’re not defending him. I myself have said numerous times on this board that I think he can be a meanspirited jerk and I don’t listen to him. What we’re doing is pointing out that Stoid is wrong in claiming that he said liberals are equivalent to rapists and murderers…which she is. Pointing out she is wrong is not equivalent to defending him. You appear to be of the mindset that one has to accept mindlessly any criticism of someone you disapprove of, no matter how wrongful, lest you be defending that person. This is not an intelligent way of looking at things. Stoid can be wrong and Limbaugh can still be a jerk. They are not mutually exclusive.
I didn’t say you did. What I said was that that was what luci and George Karlin were doing.
No, he didn’t. As shown by the numerous posts to this thread to the contrary.
Bear in mind that I am not a fan of Limbaugh, but neither am I a liberal. This allows me to see his remark for what it was rather than through pro-Limbaugh conservative bias or anti-Limbaugh liberal bias.
We can play “Did so”/“Did not” all day long, but the fact of the matter is that you misattributed the meaning of what he said.
Sorry, but again all of that is simply not so. The thing the list had in common was that each had such serious consequences that they could not and should not be excused, or their egregiousness lessened, by making attempts to understand them or to assess the motives behind them. In other words they are wrong, they have terrible consequences, and the reason for them doesn’t matter, they must be fought at all costs. (Again, this is what Limbaugh was saying and not necessarily what I think.)
I am being genuine. My analysis is not shit. Have a good day.
Yes, he did. Those numerous posts are all taking issue with the OP’s phrasing in the thread title, not with the actual concept that Rush commingled liberals, rapists and murderers. The only posts in this thread which suggest he didn’t are yours- which are admittedly numerous.
Erroneous? Excuse me? Are you actually claiming Limbaugh doesn’t hate virtually all Democrats?
Nobody said he didn’t commingle them. The point of contention, as should be obvious, is what he meant within the context of that commingling.
You won’t have to worry about that much longer as I’m about done with this thread. I would point out however that every post I’ve made in this thread save the first one was to reply to things people said to or asked me. Being conservative I tend toward politeness, and it seems rude to ignore people when they say something to me.
I have no idea whether he hates all liberals or not, but it doesn’t necessarily follow that if you hate someone you thing they are scum. There are people I hate but don’t regard as scum, and there are people I regard as scum that I don’t hate. There’s no equivalence there.
And now I’m done, I got chit to do.
That’s what I get for responding while in a message box (which didn’t include your quoting Guin) while playing during work.
Since you didn’t respond to the substance of my post, the rest of the points I must be scoring still stand though.
And I notice the poster who declared there is a criminal conspiracy in this “grouping” (SA, may I use that word?) has slunk away, I rest my case that there was no reason to juxtapose those three things, unless the speaker had the intention of suggesting that the listener make those three comparable in their minds, whether he was actively comparing them or not.