I suspect this will turn out to be bullshit. I’m sure the Ukrainian and Russian separatists are equally anti-Semitic but I doubt they’d be this blatant.
The cost of registration is 50 US dollars? In Ukraine?
I’ll bet you five rubles this is hogwash.
There is no doubt it is not from the “official” breakaway government of the city.
It is either designed to intimidate Jews by anti-Semitic elements of the breakaway gov’t in reaction to perceived Jewish loyalty to Kiev, or a provocation designed to smear the breakaway gov’t by elements hostile to it and loyal to Kiev.
Either is possible.
You may choose my response, while I imagine yours.
Amazing how many people simply don’t know that Denial is just not a river in Egypt.
Well done for the MSM…I guess. Keep your reardership blind, dumb & ignorant of both facts and history. Certainly seems to work.
Rah, rah, rah…USA #1
Please at least try to make sense. What are we in denial of now?
It’s hardly surprising Kiev has given up any plans of asserting itself in the east, more amusement today. Nice of them to bus the soldiers back with a packed lunch:
Kerry now falls back on ‘negotiations’ while formulating Plan B, and says he will be “watching extremely carefully”. He’s running out of scary stuff pretty quickly.
I think CarnalK is from the UK, big guy. 
The issue has been Crimea’s independence from Ukraine. It has nothing to do with all of Ukraine, including Crimea, gaining independence from Russia. That is a pointless point for the current discussion.
Why did the US immediately recognize a the new government in Kiev that got there by coup and mob rule? None of our business should be none of our business if that is your position.
It’s not really OUR business, no. We have recognized the new Ukrainian government contingent on their proposed elections, of course, and because Russia has chosen to directly involve themselves in what is for all intents and purposes the annexation of a border state (part of it so far, but obviously they plan for more based on recent events)…and that’s not something we would look in favor of. There is the fact (which you’ve tried hard not to address) that the previous government and President used extremely distasteful methods (otherwise known as ‘shooting people’) to attempt to stifle protest to his radical shift from closer ties to the EU to a 180 degree policy of closer ties to Mother Russia.
On 03-16-2014 at 03:09 PM kurtisokc wrote:
I wonder if kurtisokc, after thirty days, still agrees with himself.
On 04-17-2014 at 06:48 PM XT wrote:
I know the bit about 'contingent on their proposed elections, but are you also saying that the US has “recognized the new Ukrainian government … because Russia has chosen to directly involve themselves in what is for all intents and purposes the annexation of a border state.”?
RedFury, your post of 2:13 and this one contribute nothing to the ongoing discussion. If you’re going to participate do so constructively. Any more of this sort of thing and you’ll rack up another warning. I don’t think you want that.
Well, the ‘and’ clause would seem to indicate that I’m saying both. There are other factors, of course, but yeah…part of the reason we are in the process of recognizing the Ukrainian government has to do with the fact that Russia has already annexed a chunk of it and is seemingly poised to snag more if they can swing it. We are opposed to such a move, as is the EU, so that is certainly a factor in recognizing the current government, contingent, as I said, on the proposed elections.
Ukraine looking to do the smart thing: rebuild their nuclear deterrent:
Why not? The treaty that caused them to give up their weapons is now null and void.
On 04-17-2014 at 06:48 PM XT wrote:
But The White House **‘welcomed the changes’ **immediately in a kind of a victory lap. And that is not minding our own business or being neutral immediately following the breakdown in security and constitutional order for the elected highest leader (Equal to our Office of President) of a country who had to flee for his life in the face of protest and violence.
The White House also is quoted in the same NYTimes report saying:
So instead of ‘welcoming’ the Euromaidan coup of an elected president the US should have listened to what Russian Foreign Minister (Lavrov) said cited in the same NYTimes report about 'constitutional order:
Lavrov had a point from the very start. There was a breakdown in constitutional order in Kiev when Yanukovich was forced out of Kiev. And if the White House was serious about *"The unshakable principle guiding events must be that the people of Ukraine determine their own future.” * … Well the majority of people of Crimea wanted no part of the Euromaidan Revolution and they saw a chance to ‘determine their own future’ and they took it.
IF the US and EU were minding their own business they would have remained neutral on the mobs in Kiev ‘deciding their own destiny’ as well as neutral on the mobs in Crimea ‘deciding their own destiny.’
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But The White House ‘welcomed the changes’ immediately in a kind of a victory lap. And that is not minding our own business or being neutral immediately following the breakdown in security and constitutional order for the elected highest leader (Equal to our Office of President) of a country who had to flee for his life in the face of protest and violence.
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Probably because of the whole shooting the protesters thingy that you continue to not address. You endlessly dance around the question of WHY your precious ex-President of the Ukraine had to flee in the first place. Oh, you’ve discussed the travesty of the event, and decried how unconstitutional it was, boohoo boohoo, but you don’t seem to want to deal with how things spun out of control from protests against your buddies 180 shift in policy to snipers shooting protesters down like dogs.
Oh, to be sure…we should have sent in the troops to force the Ukrainians to strict constitutional law despite the whole shooting the protesters thingy. I mean, right is right, after all. :rolleyes:
And here you ignore the fact that elections were being set up and that freaking Russian troops invaded the Crimea, interdicted and blockaded Ukrainian military facilities, and rail roaded a ‘democratic’ vote that got a 98% thumbs up for joining the Russian federation. And you think this is just peachy and democratic.
Unlike Russia, who sent in troops and blockaded and interdicted Ukrainian military facilities to trump up a joke of a vote to bring the Crimea into Russia. Basically a land grab backed up by Russian troops, with more Russia troops skulking about the Ukraine’s borders while further workers and peasants rise up in the eastern provinces (oh, spontaneously to be sure, and nothing to do with Russia…nope, nothing to see here) to also demand joining the shining beacon of freedom that is Russia and Putin. Do you ever sit back and actually take a hard look at your position in this debate? Does it ever make you sick? It makes ME sick, that’s for sure.
Well, it wouldn’t bother me if the US didn’t recognize the new government, but it’s simply factually incorrect to refer to it as a coup by mob rule. Especially when you don’t refer to what happened in Crimea by the same name.
It is. What is your position on the “mob rule” going on in eastern Ukraine right now? Or is the violent take-over of government buildings not “mob rule”?