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And, exactly, how do you know that those involved in the coup represent a majority of Ukranians? Mind you, the majority of which democratically elected Yanukovych.
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Well, they are planning elections in May. And, curiously enough, it won’t be under the guns of the Russians (or NATO or the EU or even the evil Americans). So, I guess we’ll know then, right?
As for the democratically elected Yanukovych, well, an election isn’t a suicide pact. Yeah, he was elected…and then he pissed off enough of his population to make beating a hasty retreat seem like a good idea (after killing a number of them first, just for fun I’m sure).
And just because it pissed off Russia, who has delusions of re-unifying their former empire doesn’t mean that it’s a bad thing either. And an invasion by any other name smells as sweet, right Red?
Considering it was an internal matter among the Ukrainians, and the fact that they were a bit provoked, I’m going to go with ‘yeah’. Seems to me there was more justification in the ‘coup’ than there was for Russia to intervene, using the excuse of the ‘threat’ to the Russian speaking portion of the Crimea to snag some land back into the fold.
Although it’s only a thought experiment, I’d love to see what justification we’d hear from our “Putin guys” if
a) Russian troops make a move on, say, Estonia “to defend Russian minorities”.
b) A Russian Oblast, say, Karelia, holds an illegal referendum, delcares independence and then Russian troops go there and conquer it.
I think Ukrainians should gird themselves for the coming war and sabotage the Russian pipelines running through their country. They should also start making things very hard for the Russian troops occupying their nation. This is before Russian consolidate their strange hold upon their country.
The only way to beat back the Russian incursion is to make the cost of the invasion far higher than Putin anticipated or can reasonably sell to the Russian public. While ordinary Russians might be “happy” with obtaining the Crimea again, they won’t be happy seeing Russian soldiers returning dead and wounded to their homeland.
The West needs to simply strengthen its NATO positions near the country, keep economic sanctions against Russia in place and sit back and wait.
What could possibly make it hard for Russian troops living in Crimses that is now a part of the Russuan Federation? it was reported that around 80% of Crimeans are expected to apply for Russian citizenship and obtain their Russian passports in the next 30 days.
Does your thought experiment involve a breakdown of constitutional law in Estonia and then a formerly pro-Russian semi-autonomous well-defined region once never part of Estonia, initiate steps to secede?
You’re suppose to show that “I seem to be fine with all that”.
Like I said: knock yourself out substantiating that. I’m not going to debate you, because I know it’s not true, and you have done nothing more than assert it without proof.
It’s not the wrong place to bring it up, but you need to offer some sort of coherent argument. Start by explaining how “the EU takes over Russia”. And you might want to expound on what the dollar/euro exchange rate has to do with the price of borsht in Moscow.
I thought it was common knowledge that EU alliance includes NATO … that’s enough to put Mr Putin on defense. Plus Russia controls the banks not a pre-selected country.
I will back off if know one see’s a danger in EU being in charge of all the money on the other side of the world.
The Ukraine can easily say the land and military equipment that Russia has seized at least equals any debt. I bet Russia is out that money. Fairly too I might add.
Memo from the White House…pay no attention to those who would point out the US invaded three sovereign nations and is attempting to overthrow the leadership in Iran, while admonishing Russia for peacefully annexing Crimea, which it has…
Meanwhile, today Iraq is embroiled in a civil war that has taken the lives of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and created untold misery for those who survived. In addition to their loss lost 5000 soldiers and another 40,000 maimed for life while wasting over one trillion dollars. Afghanistan? Twice over – now the corner state of the poppy trade and out of the US’s hand other than beat tail. Compare that with the Russian take over of Crimea. See any difference? And you want to take them on in their own backyard? There’s a laugh that we will all regret.
Yeah, the Star-spangled blinder. Good luck with that. Or rather stop imposing your idea of justice world-wide.
Glad someone is ready to stand-up to you. And you have no balls/capability to do anything about it. But yeah, whining is fine. With crackers…