Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2)

I imagine that was Nicholas II’s attitude as well.

But his ability to keep the lid on protestors depends on what the average Russian thinks.

Wrong thread, this is the breaking-news thread, try the one in Politics & Elections .

Moderating:

Meanwhile, there is turbulence in Ukraine’s military leadership:

As you were. Or not

Stop hitting yourself:

TL:DR version: Ukrainian hackers were able to get Russian air defenses to shoot down a fancy 5th-generation Su-57 fighter jet.

Ukraine hits Black Sea fleet, then the Sea of Azov, and now the Caspian Sea :hushed_face:

“The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) confirmed strikes on a Russian Navy Project 12418 Molniya missile boat, sanctioned vessels – the Port Olya 2 cargo ship and the Begey dry cargo ship, an oil platform at the Filanovsky field in the Caspian Sea, a 92N6E Grave Stone radar station, a Tor-M2 surface-to-air missile system, a Pole-21 electronic warfare system, and two FPV drone warehouses in Rostov-on-Don, Russia.”

May have.

Or it might be just as convenient for the Ukrainians if the Russians are led to turn their systems upside down trying to eliminate any such possibility
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Many Russians still seem to think their government has done nothing wrong.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. We have our share.

It would probably be best to assume all published Ukrainian statements about their sources and methods to be fabrications to amuse the enemy. They’d be mad to publish the truth about these.

True, the propaganda play here is obvious: Get Russia to mistrust their air defenses enough, and they might even disable their own defenses.

Still, I think it’s safe to say that that Su-57 was downed somehow, and there’s a good chance that Ukraine somehow caused it to happen.

IMO, there’s a real chance it was downed in the Sukhoi factory several years ago and just now noticed. (I’m skeptical of QC in Russian state factories.)

So you’re upset that the country YOUR country attacked is fighting back and it’s affecting you?

Empathy meter is on zero only because there’s a little post keeping the needle from moving past zero.

Are you referring to Russia as “you”? I am a bit confused.

“Your country” would be Russia. If Russians are upset that Ukraine is successfully fighting back then I have no sympathy for them. They could be basking in the light of free enterprise. There’s no reason why Russia can’t focus on freedom and productivity for their people instead of declaring war on their neighbors. They lost 13% of their population in WWII and that was with Allied help. it’s as if it never happened. Now the new Allied forces are aligned against them for the same reason. To stop the takeover of a nation. They’ve learned nothing.

Thanks and I agree.

Reminder, this is the breaking-news one, please stop with the conjecture, opinions and Thank you in this one.

Moderating:

Ukraine delivers another blow to Russia, right in the Wildberries:

I am reminded of a comment by Churchill in a speech after Adlertag had failed,

Hitler said he was going to wring England’s neck like a chicken.

Some chicken. Some neck.