Hello Sage Rat, Mr and Mrs North America, and all the ships at sea!
Back in January of 2017, you made a bet with the now banned Okrahoma in this post:
Alas, Okrahoma is now with the banned. He’s struck up the banned. He’s part of the banned of brothers.
But he’s banned and determined to collect on the wager nonetheless.
Because I served as an escrow service for a previous wager involving him and another poster, he reached out to me and asked if I would be willing to post a reminder here, on the off chance that Sage Rat had forgotten the end date for this had come and gone. I agreed.
He asks that the $100 donation be made to the Family Research Council or Freedom Watch. Or, if you prefer, although not technically a charitable donation, he will accept a donation to Trump’s 2020 campaign as satisfying the obligation.
He asks for a scanned receipt for the charity donation as proof.
This is likely a one-off, or a few-off. I’m cruising through the forums now, but my intention is not to resume regular participation.
I’ve sent Okrahoma a link to this thread, so, really, my job here is done. So I’m just going to wander around, murmur a bit at what you’ve done with the place, and fade back into legendary greatness of old.
Trump has been impeached. There is nothing the Senate can do that can nullify that. Regardless of what people ‘understand’ impeachment to mean, it does have a specific meaning that does not change. Trump has been impeached, and he will always have been impeached.
Some may argue that ‘impeachment’ in the context of the bet is ‘understood’ to mean ‘removed from office’. Suppose two people are playing a game. They both ‘understand’ the rules. Perhaps one person understands explicitly as written, with knowledge of the definitions of the words making up the rules, and the other ‘understands’ the rules not as-written, but by ‘tradition’. Perhaps both parties ‘understand’ the ‘traditional’ usage instead of the explicit usage. (How many people play Monopoly where landing on Free Parking results in a windfall, vs. where landing on Free Parking is merely a no-penalty resting place?) If a dispute arises, then the players need to turn to the explicit rules. In the case of a bet, one may consider it a ‘contract’. If a contract is poorly written, then the parties must abide by the text as much as they must do if it was well-written.
The bet specifically stated impeachment as a condition that nullifies the bet. Trump was impeached. Therefore, the bet is nullified.
Yes, but in post 98, it sounds to me like “impeached” has been used as shorthand for impeachment and removal, given the aside about pedants:
I guess it depends on how legalistic/how much of a textualist you want to be about this. Technically and textually, bets are off. There is no question about that to me. From my perspective, the spirit of the bet used the word “impeached” to mean “impeached and removed from office” as that’s the only way it makes sense in context to me. But I trust Sage Rat will let us know his intent.
(Oddly, I had no recollection of participating in that thread, but I was totally wrong about Trump not getting technically impeached. Good thing I didn’t bet! :))
Well, I don’t know for sure. I could’ve sworn that one of the rules stickies mentioned acting as a proxy is verboten but neither the ones in ATMB nor the one in MPSIMS currently mention that. You should check with someone currently on staff.