Winning Hesimans is an ability? Do they measure that at the combine? Does it help you score TDs?
It’s a fallacy that Tebow is a great athlete. He’s glacially slow and isn’t quick. He’s big, he’s strong, he’s got a solid Q rating. The latter is the only reason anyone is talking about him, the former isn’t enough to justify a draft pick,
I missed the INT ratio. That is impressive.
To those that say Tebow can’t make it as a QB in the NFL, I remind you of that skinny kid from Notre Dame that people said would never make it either. The skinny kid was Joe Montana.
Tebow is going to get a shot somewhere, probably not as a starter, maybe not as a QB, but he’s going to get a shot. I hope he makes it. He’s a good kid.
The skinny kid was also third on the depth chart at Notre Dame and got to play because of injuries and the flu to the people in front of him (if I recall correctly). He got some burn because everyone else was pulled out.
These days, someone slipping through is almost impossible. The NFL is a big moneymaking machine and it’ll look for prospects anywhere that can help it get more money. You can go to a Division III school, but if you’ve got game, you’ll get drafted.
Marques Colston, 6th round pick. Starter for the Super Bowl Champion New Orleans Saints (damn I like typing that)
Pierre Thomas, undrafted free agent, Starter for the Super Bowl Champion New Orleans Saints (still like typing that)
Montana played in a conventional pro style system and he was drafted in the late 3rd round. If Tebow gets drafted in the 3rd or 4th round that’s fine. He’ll be a bust but at least it’s defensible. The bobbleheads talking about a 1st or 2nd round pick ought to be mocked into oblivion.
So, are they, or are they not playing in the NFL when it’s all said and done? They were either drafted or retained on the practice squad or invited to camp after the draft.
Colston supposedly slipped so far down in the draft because his college coach didn’t like him and badmouthed him to any NFL scout that’d listen. I don’t know if that’s true, though.
Also, wasn’t he drafted in the 7th round?
Tom Brady, 6th round pick
Kurt Warner and Jeff Garcia, undrafted in a year when Heath Shuler was drafted #3 overall
Tony Romo, undrafted
Warren Moon, undrafted, in a year that scouts salivated over Jack Thompson
Sean Payton makes his bones in the NFL by having his quarterback make lightning quick reads and get rid of the ball to receivers in stride all over the field, and then catching the defense in the right situation and making accurate deep throws. These are the precise things nobody is counting on Tebow to be able to do (maybe the deep throws, but not the ones Payton uses). Of all the offenses out there, it seems to me like Tebow is the worst fit for the Saints. Brees runs downfield like once a season and never gets sacked, so Tebow’s abilities would be almost totally wasted.
That said, it’s kind of absurd to say he isn’t a good athlete. Florida, which was unquestionably his offense, whacked the shit out of SEC teams week in and week out, and there sure as hell were good athletes on the other side of the ball. Whether or not it translates to the NFL, he’s a unique and impressive athlete. Who cares if he jitterbugs around or not when he’s like 240? It’s like saying Anquan Boldin’s a lousy athlete. Big and strong makes 4.7 good enough.
And with that said, Joe Montana should have the legal right to kill every person who has participated in this thread for invoking his name in such a foolhardy and ridiculous fashion. Joe Montana - good at quarterback. Tim Tebow - not really very.
I also think it’s kind of insane to proclaim that McCoy’s more disruptive than Suh, no matter what else you might think of each of them (although I’ve read the same analysis). They played more or less the same opponents, to begin with, so the stats should give some idea about disruptive ability. To wit: McCoy had 77 career tackles and was credited with 14 sacks (though I think that number’s wrong and it’s actually 13, but anyway). Suh had 82 tackles and 12 sacks this season.
Suh also blocked three kicks this year, had an interception, broke up 10 passes, and had a 4 sack game against Texas. Last year he had two interceptions for touchdowns. McCoy blocked no kicks and broke up 2 passes, though he does have one career interception. If the thing you’re comparing is disruptive ability rather than playing style and potential techniques and how that translates to the NFL, I can’t imagine what would point you in McCoy’s direction, as Suh disrupted almost every offense he played against, while McCoy was just kind of a guy.
Only point I was making with Montana is that people said he’d never make it as a pro, and he proved them all wrong. That could happen again with Tebow. Really don’t think that huge crime merits a death penalty.
Not misreading at all. The majority had Clausen 1 with Suh going to Detroit.
Has Tebow tried long-snapping?
Interesting. Like I said, the Rams need a quarterback, but they could get Dan LeFevour in the second or possibly the third.
I think the source of these mock drafts need to be considered. Where’d you find them?
The Rams DO need a quarterback. Still, no matter WHO the highest rated QB is, I think the Rams would be foolish to take him as the overall #1 pick.
This is NOT a knock at Jimmy Clausen. It just so happens that a LOT of highly touted quarterbacks taken early in the first round have been major busts. Taking a quarterback in the first round isn’t QUITE a crapshoot, and some superb players have been taken there (Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw). But so have some real clunkers (Tim Couch, Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith). And those clunkers cost teams a LOT of money.
The Rams would PROBABLY be better off taking a more sure-fire defensive prospect, and looking for a free agent or “project” quarterback in the later rounds.
Of course, we’re just football plebians. How it’ll actually work out is CJ Spiller going number one, Maurice Clarett getting drafted by the Broncos, and Jeff George getting drafted by the Colts.
there were a bunch of “experts” in the site. I read it but did not save it. I will look again.
2024 NFL Mock Draft - MyNFLDraft.com But here’s one.
Canadian Casino Portal – Reliable and Fequently Updated Here is one with 103 mocks. Clausen and Bradford are both chosen often. The consensus Suh on these but there is a rising notion that Suh will not be the choice. I was surprised to see anybody else on the board at No.1.
One thing that may come into play is the Rams have a spent a lot of money and picks recently on their D-line.
2008 - Chris Long -DE -#2 overall
2007 - Adam Carriker -DT - #13
They also signed La’Roi Glover to a FA deal, though he’s done now.
Now, Suh is a is rare talent, but still, can you really spend that much on 1 area of your team?
That’s a fair question. I think it depends on how you look at it, and what your immediate goals are. I think it may be easier to get better on defense in the short term. A stout defense can keep your team competitive while you work on rebuilding the offense. The downside is strong defense isn’t as exciting as high powered offense to many fans. If I were trying to improve a team, I think I’d be inclined to focus on defense first, but I can see where some would prefer to go the other way.