That list better be extremely comparable to the Covid idiocy that is not a fringe belief among American Republicans/conservatives.
Also, your participation in the threads criticizing stupid American Republicans/conservatives for their stupidity is a thing to behold.
Yeah, wait until you hear the people who say that Capitalism has to go. The single most stupid, potentially catastrophic thing you could possibly do. Everyone who is certain that a world of ‘community ownership’ can possibly replace a system as complex and sophisticated as a modern Capitalist economy is a talking example of the Dunning-Krueger effect.
Care to defend that? They’re in your tribe, not mine. If your left flank got everything they wanted, it would destroy civil society. It had before. Many times.
Or, we could not play games and discuss issues on their merits, acknowledging that we all come from a place of bias freely acknowledged, with our own framings, and try to hash out their merits. While not assuming the other person is a blithering idiot or evil.
I know what I prefer. But hey, if you want to have a nut-picking contest, I’m loaded for bear.
When did refugees become “illegal”?
Yes, debating the merits of capitalism is exactly the same as denying that Covid is a real disease with real treatments and preventions.
Invested it Ivermectin are you?
This is going to be a big shock to absolutely no one, but Sam is pretty radically misrepresenting today’s testimony here.
What did I misrepresent? Biden told George Stephanopoulis that he was not given that advice. The generals testified that they did tell him that, repeatedly.
What about that is wrong or misleading?
I quoted you directly.
Just gonna revisit this.
I dunno - there was that whole thing where Trump turned over northern Syria to Turkey and Russia, leaving hundreds of thousands of people behind who America promised to protect who were then immediately slaughtered or arrested while Russia took over our bases, plus there were the thousand or so ISIS prisoners who got released. That seems like a worse foreign policy disaster.
I don’t seem to remember what your views on that were at the time, Sam. Anything you’d like to say now?
Wrong. It’s not “whataboutism” if it’s directly relevant, as it is here. And “going back to Trump” serves the purpose of countering the revisionist history the Republicans - and to a certain extent you - are pushing.
The spike in immigrants at the border began in May 2020. It worsened when the Supreme Court struck down some of Trump’s border policies in November 2020. The infrastructure left at the border was an absolute mess, the detention centers were inhumane hellholes, the border offices for requesting asylum were shut down, and that’s not even getting into the sections of wall falling over. Gee whiz - why is the border such a mess?
It’s a standard right-wing ploy to fuck up the country and then, when the other party gets into office, to blame them for the mess the right left behind while they actively obstruct efforts to fix it. We saw this when Obama took over from Bush, and we’re seeing it again now. And you’re right on message, Sam.
Trump spent the last four years actively insulting (and in at least one instance physically shoving) our allies’ leaders and undermining NATO and our other economic and military alliances, while at the same time cozying up to the worst dictators in the world, including passing on classified information received from our allies to Putin (who then shared it with Iran). He tore up the US’s commitments to two major international treaties, thus destroying any credibility America has to negotiate any similar agreements in future because it’s now been made clear that any such agreements could only be relied on until the next change of administration.
And now our allies are reconsidering their relationship with the US…and you think that’s because of Biden?
Oh look - blaming Biden for the right’s overt obstructionism. You just can’t help yourself.
“I’m not here to defend the Himalayas - let’s just talk about how tall this molehill is!”
No, you’re here to very, very carefully ignore Trump, because including him in context immediately reveals that your arguments are baseless. You cry “whataboutism” because you know your arguments are intellectually dishonest so you automatically handwave it away. But excusing the right - even tacitly - while making up a narrative to blame the left for everything is kind of your entire shtick, Sam, as we can even see above.
There are certainly many things that Biden could have done or be doing a lot better, including with regard to the Afghanistan withdrawal (as I’ve said elsewhere) and on the border. But he also inherited a dumpster fire of epic proportions, and now the Republicans - and you - are blaming him for not putting it out fast enough even as the right throw in more cans of kerosene.
Listen idiot, that’s not what “whataboutism” means. Trump put the NATO wrecking ball in motion. He called it out explicitly by name as something we don’t need anymore. It was in flames before Biden was even elected and you want to pretend none of that happened. Stop pretending we’re as stupid as you are.
Yes you are. You know he’s indefensible and instead choose to pretend all the awful stuff he did was someone else’s fault, and that his opponents and detractors are worse. That’s an unmistakable defense of Trump, just in the most cowardly, weaselly dishonest possible way, and it doesn’t fool anybody at all.
It’s fitting and predictable that a stupid weasel like Trump is defended by stupid weasels like you.
Serious question, why do you think this is beneath him?
This is like when everybody used to run around bleating “Bricker, you’re better than this” after thousands of instances where he demonstrated that he’s usually worse than he presents.
Because for all the right-wing bullshit he spews, I never got any sort of racist vibe, but this border stuff, and his “concern” about it, is right from a white-supremacist playbook.
Doesn’t have to be racist - mostly it just gives him yet another reason to claim Biden is the Worst President Ever.
I guess that could be it. It’s just weird – he’s not a Republican, since he’s not American. He often proclaims how he was no fan of Trump, but I don’t remember him being in the myriad Trump threads saying how awful Trump is, pointing out every mistake, and so on. And yet, here he is, all over Biden in every Biden thread.
As I said above, he could be concerned about US foreign policy, economic policy, etc., but why give a shit about immigration policy?
It’s not a “my team against their team” thing, since he’s not on either team. I just don’t get it.
I don’t know what that’s really worth. The term “racist” has become so radioactive that everyone understands they need to avoid overt association with it. Even David Duke insists he’s not a racist, that he’s actually the victim of the real racism, which is the so-called “reverse racism”. They understand what they need to conceal, and how to do it.
He’s always been a water-carrier for the American right-wing. I have yet to hear him adequately explain why.
Maybe he’s not actually Canadian.
I think that if my dog came into the room right now and explained, in perfect English, why he chases cars and sniffs butts………I’d be less surprised than I would if Sam somehow managed to adequately explain his positions.
Standard Republican cry, “Why haven’t you cleaned up our mess yet?”
“We are. You just keep throwing more shit around.”
Whataboutism is trying to deflect from one bad deed by pointing to another one.
People aren’t doing that. People aren’t saying that the issues at the border and the Afghanistan pullout were bad but Trump was worse so ignore them. No, people are saying that Trump was involved. Trump fucked up the border, things were already shitty when Biden took over. He didn’t take over a good situation and then implement changes that made it worse. And Trump put the agreements in place that Biden tried to honor in Afghanistan.
It’s not whataboutism if someone shits all over a room and people choose not to put all the blame on the janitor cleaning it up.
It’s clear you have no idea what the fuck the term even means when you think you’re co-opting it to “own the libs”. It’s pretty pathetic.