Here’s where you say it, Hentor. You say that Sam is a fiscal conservative, so he’s a right-winger, so he gets his political positions from the right-wing leaders.
WooHoo! Five pages, bitches!
You’re adding all kinds of words and connections to that that I just did not say. Also note that I never said remotely what you’ve previously claimed. I’m clearly not the one with problems of logic and reason.
Bwoot! Right up the urethra.
I gotta be honest, Hentor. I’m having a hard time seeing the daylight between what you said and RR’s paraphrase. What’s the distinction between these two quotes?
Not to mention the fact that conservatives tend to believe their leaders not because of any supposed authoritarian nature (IMO, liberals prevail there), but because they have expressed a mindset consisting of conservative values and can therefore be trusted with making the right decisions about things. And then, if or when they screw up, we realize that nobody’s perfect and we’re inclined to feel that they did what was best with the information they had at the time. “Authoritarianism” has nothing to do with it, except as how you happen to view conservatives in your own mind.
Nah, Starving Artist, you’re just an idiot who is an embarassment to rational minds, be they left or right. I would no more trust you to make a good decision than I would trust a turnip.
Hmmm…this brings to mind the question of just which conservative leaders or politicians you would trust to make good decisions?
In other words, why do I suspect that your assessment of me as an idiot is based more upon my polical affiliation and the beliefs I hold accordingly than on what I actually say? Certainly no one in my off board life has ever called me an idiot. In fact, my intelligence has been commented upon in a positive way all throughout my life, whether by the teachers I had while in school or the executives and other people I’ve worked for or with throughout my life or the neighbors and friends I have dinner and hang out with. Yep, “bright boy” has gotten lots of hits in my life, while “idiot” has yielded zero.
So I think the disparity lies with your perception, dear, and not with reality. But go ahead and call me an idiot if it makes you feel better. It’s just that I already know that insulting the intelligence of your opponents is tactic #29 in the Handbook of Liberal Challenge to Established Order (or How To Proclaim Love For America While Trying To Change Everything About It), so I see through it and give it the weight it deserves.
Oh man, classic Starving Artist. Conservatives can be trusted with making the right decisions. Why? Because they have the mindset consisting of conservative values.
But when they make the wrong decision?
So a conservative screws up and it’s okay. They made the right choice, they just had really shitty intel. But it’s okay, because they did what they felt was best.
Classic.
Really? You don’t see any differences? Okay, just point to where I said “fiscal conservative.”
In order to get fiscal conservative into what I said, you’d have to think that “cheerleader” for Bush economic policies equates to fiscal conservative. I don’t think it really does. Do you? Alternatively, you’d have to think that “right winger” is equivalent to “fiscal conservative”. I don’t think that’s true either.
So, I don’t believe that every fiscal conservative is a right winger, nor do I think that every fiscal conservative is high in authoritarianism. More to the point, I never said any such thing. It’s bullshit to assert otherwise.
If you really can’t grasp that, there’s nothing I can do to help you.
I didn’t say conservatives are infallable, because clearly no one is. It’s just that, in the main, my opinion is that conservatives can be counted upon to make the right kinds of decisions and to look at things in the proper way and from the right perspective most of the time. Then when they do happen to make mistakes, it’s easier to understand or overlook those mistakes because you know they were trying to do what’s right.
None of this is particularly noteworthy. People on your side of the political spectrum feel exactly the same way about their own.
All Sam Stone has ever done here is espouse fiscally conservative positions–he’s a fiscal conservative. You take that to mean he is a right winger and therefore only espouses those views because he’s into authoritarianism and that’s what the right-wing leaders tell him to espouse.
Bullshit. Or else ther is ‘fiscall conservative’ and ‘fiscally conservative’ and never the twain shall meet.
I’m fiscally conservative and would vote for any candidate that would actually be fiscally conservative in office (well, my other key criteria is to rat fuck the moral majority. Problem is, I don’t know how far back you’ve got to go to find a republican that did more than pay lip service to being fiscally conservative. Certainly from Reagan onwards they’ve done nothing but say ‘tax and spend democrats’ while cutting taxes and spending like a drunken sailors themselves. and let’s not get started on the whole 'we need to cut the deficit RIGHT NOW but deficits and tax cuts are great when we are leading the country.
I’ve asked sam a couple times now for some past threads during either of the bush years where he advocated reducing the deficit. fiscal conservative my ass.
No. You keep trying to put those words in my mouth. Stop it, you shit eating douchebag.
I regard him as a right-winger because he has done nothing but lick the sweat off the inner thighs of any conservative in the public eye, most notably George W. Bush for two full terms. He’s not actually a fiscal conservative for the same reason - there was no bigger advocate for Bush’s economic policies on the boards. You cannot be an actual fiscal conservative and have done that.
No he hasn’t. Frankly, I’m not sure that he’s ever pushed a fiscally conservative view point unless your definition is entirely different than what the rest of us use. Thread after thread, post after post, he pushes anti-government rhetoric. Small government, few regulations, an end to entitlement programs. That’s right wing and NOT fiscally conservative. What he doesn’t do push is social conservative ideals, and for that I thank him.
I love it. You’re adorable. So is it fair to say that you don’t think liberals are “trying to do what’s right?” Are they actively trying to do stuff wrong? Or are they just doing things you don’t agree with?
Can you tell me which “side” am I on again? I appear to have misplaced my team jersey.
And you’d never do something like that, would you?
Hey, relax, I just asked for clarification.
And I agree that Sam is no mere fiscal conservative, not after the bullshit about WMDs in Iraq.
With Starving Artist it’s more of a Turing test issue.
you’re right. I’m sorry. i’ve just had some experiences recently with obtuseness on the boards, when i thought i was being eminently clear. please forgive my snark.
No editorial comments intended, but I have to pass on today’s Quote of the Day from the google:
Americans are benevolently ignorant about Canada, while Canadians are malevolently well informed about the United States.