Ah, so another Strawman. I accept a certain limited usage of a term in a historical context, and thus, I can’t take exception to any ethnic slur, is that it?
You sound like one of those dudes who want to ban Huck Finn as it uses “the N word”. :rolleyes:
Not if you want to maintain any vestige of intellectual integrity, you can’t.
Who here has talked about banning anything?
I’ve already shown that your “historical context” never existed. Newspapers of the time were freely using the term to describe people of Japanese descent regardless of their military affiliation. Whence this historical context you keep claiming?
:rolleyes:
I think it’s both – a pun and a nod to “ah, me so hoppy” style mockery. Before I looked, I assumed the teeth would be too, that that would be the gag, ha ha, bunnies and Chinamen have buckteeth. But I still think the teeth were just a, uh, hoppy accident the artist didn’t even intend while busy slapping every other vaguely Asian thing he could think of on the rabbit in question.
You are arguing for using a now-offensive word in the present day, not for being able to quote previously published material in an unexpurgated form. Your sensitivity to “white trash” is, I believe, very much on point.
Try this. By your argument, saying “The Japs brutally killed thousands during the Rape of Nanking” is perfectly appropriate because these were the military/leadership types. Then would it not be equally appropriate to say “In the 1920s, the Klan mostly recruited from the ranks of the white trash?”
Well, that was random and nonsensical. Any chance of you actually addressing at least one of the arguments or cites that you’ve been offered? In case you’ve missed it, virtually every single thing you’ve said here has been demonstrated to be historically inaccurate, logically void, and morally suspect.
Or do you just want to shriek about strawmen some more?
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say “no.” He hasn’t up to this point; I dunno why he’d suddenly start now.
Is anyone contributing to this thread actually Japanese? Might be helpful to hear from a first-person perspective.
Posts #27 and #51.
Well, we seem to have two groups here: one sez it’s OK to use racial slurs- as long as they personally don’t think it’s a racial slur. These dudes think it is OK to use “Brit” “Yank” or even “white trash”. I don’t. If anyone is offended, or uses the term in an offensive way, then it should not be used casually.
The other seems to want to delete history and change what was, black out “Japs” in “Japs Surrender” and go to the library and cut out the word “nigger” from Mark Twains writings. I don’t. That usage is part of history.
So, I have taken the middle ground here.
If you think I am wrong- which group are you in? Are racial slurs like “Brit” OK by you?
Or do you want to censor the past?
If it’s neither, then you agree with me.
Umm, **Miller **and QED- you ask about me adressing cites? I asked for cites and was refused. The only cites given were for QED’s strawman agument, which I addressed. What cites have I not adressed?
Thank you Q.E.D. I read those posts before but my brain just didn’t catch it. I’m in your debt.
As for your post, Dr.Deth, I dont believe your “moderate” platform for a second. I’ll leave the platform open for more expert Dopers to rip your post to shreds in a bit. Please understand, I dont mean anything personal, I just think you’re being incredibly, wrongly, belligerent.
Of course. I am taking a middle ground were everyone wants to pretend they are perfect. Everyone wants to loudy proclaim they are “holier than thou, those who have bestowed upon themselves the crown of arbiters of what is good, right and proper. Those who cannot abide any tint bit of straying from the ONE TRUE PATH. Those who are always right, and will let everyone know it over and over and over…” Sound familiar?
Note that few will now come forward and admit that they think that “brit” is OK, or that historical headlines should be censored.
I’ll be the first to admit that I’m fairly drunk, but I dont think that comparing “brits->Brits” and historical censorship relates to the phrase ‘Jap’ in quite the way you’re thinking of.
My post fails to provide any meat+potatoes, so you are more than justified in judging me as a bandwagon jumper; however, my truly best wish is that everyone exits this thread with a fair and adequate understanding
As a Greek thief of legend, I may steal wallets, but I aim never to steal the spotlight.
Therefore, Carry on; I will do my best to answer the questions which I believe myself capable.
Regards,
Autolycus
I am not going to assign “slur ratings” to the various racial slurs. I accept that some are less demeaning than others. However, if dudes claim that racial slurs are bad, and should never be used- then they should never be used, even if one slur is milder than another. If you read this thread you’ll find one dude that claims that he and his dudes use “brit” as a slur, and consider it one.
That is true; but, does one apple spoil the bunch?
Dr. D, your post #191 is a complete misrepresentation of what’s been happening in this thread.
Anyone here saying that? I’ve read the thread several times and I don’t see that here. Who is saying this? Or are you just pulling this out of your ass with the other gadgets?
It seems we need change history , black out the word Jap just edit “japs are monkeys” to “japanese are monkeys” and it will no longer be offensive? Personally I believe people should get over WW II, it seem a few people are still fighting it.
Anyway I will longer say “japs are hardworking” or “japs are honest”, as it appears Japanese cannot understand the concept of abbreviation or context, I will make allowance for them in the future. My apology to any Japanese I’ve inadvertently insulted
My apologies. I misunderstood.