Sanders's Supporters Brownshirts Stop Trump Rally in Chicago

Ok I should have said “this kind of non violent direct action”. I count attempting to get on stage and disrupt the rally as a valid protest tactic, and even if charged with trespass I find it likely that a Judge would throw out the charge as often happens in these kinds of cases.

Anyone punched at a Trump rally for protesting should press charges for assault and make sure the media knows all about it.

It means likely to interfere and disrupt the event, like standing up wearing yellow stars, implicitly accusing the people around them of being Nazis.

People have a right to communicate their message with strong language and symbolism. They do not have a right to communicate a message that it insulting to Trump supporters inside of a Trump rally. Trump’s rally is for* his message*, he has no obligation to submit to those who want to hijack his rallies to spread there own message. They should go have their own rally.

Nobody has a right to be in a room reserved for a private party; but once they’re in the room, the content of the message they want to communicate has nothing to do with the existence of their right to communicate that message. You completely misunderstand the concept of free speech if you think otherwise.

And suggesting that a silent protest will disrupt the event is garbage. Unless Trump supporters or Trump has zero self-control, they’re perfectly capable of continuing the event as though the provocative speech isn’t there. If they decide to stop the rally to focus on the provocative symbol, that’s a choice they made.

“Disruptive,” for you, has such a low threshold as to become entirely meaningless.

Yes they do have that right, both legally and morally. Anyone that is offended by being called a nazi shouldn’t go to a trump rally, because its a pretty fucking valid comparison to compare Trump to Hitler. They are both using base appeals to emotion and scape goating an ethnic group to try and win power.

Of course it does. Just because someone has been allowed into an event doesn’t mean they have a right to insult the people around them without being removed.

I know a lot of people think that the self righteous outrage that they get from being arrayed against someone they have been convinced is a KKKNazi gives them special privileges, but it does not.

They can have their own rally and insult whoever they want.

Trump supporters and rally organizers have a right to assemble and communicate the message they decide themselves. It’s the same right that makes movies, plays, concerts, lectures, and sporting events possible.

Sounds like a job for Superman! :slight_smile:

http://www.attn.com/stories/4329/superman-poster-tolerance

[QUOTE=Superman 1950’s poster]
“…if YOU hear anybody talk against a schoolmate or anyone else because of his religion, race or national origin - don’t wait: tell him THAT KIND OF TALK IS UN-AMERICAN.”
[/QUOTE]

That message is now not just for the funny pages…

Then you will condemn the Sanders campaign for making the legal and moral error of removing this guy for communicating his message at one of their rallies?

Right, because you say so. Trump* is* always talking about the scheming Jews and the superiority of the Aryan race after all. What with his Jewish daughter and a diversity of African American endorsements that are surely making Sanders green with envy, if he is paying any attention. Such a Nazi.

Oh, Trump communicated exactly the message he decided himself, without even needing to assemble. :smiley:

So if Drumpf supporters do take his Twitter suggestion and start going to Sanders rallies, is there nothing they could do silently that would or should get them kicked out? What if they wear T-shirts proclaiming that “Hitler should’ve finished the job–then we wouldn’t have to deal with this commie Jew”, or something more pithy but along those general lines?

Oops, Hank’s video is awkward for Bernheads to explain. But I think I can predict what coremelt will say, or what they would have said had I not preempted them. Basically, that it’s OK for good people to disrupt bad people’s political rallies, but it should not be allowed for bad people to disrupt good people’s rallies. And I would just refer back to the words of Robert Jackson that “this would be a mere shadow of freedom”.

How about: “Sanders is responsible for the deaths of millions of children from starvation, and thousands of tons of toxic chemicals in our environment, since he is part of the anti-GMO and anti-nuclear movements.” Not quite Nazi levels of destruction yet, but it’s getting there.

How is it awkward? The guy had the right to enter, and he had the right to shout his message, and the college had the right to remove him when he did so. What’s the problem here? No one hit him on the way out, at least.

This is how protest at rallies is supposed to work!

He doesn’t have a right to interrupt the rally, any more than I have a right to get up and start rapping in the middle of an audience watching an orchestra perform. Those actions violate the rights of everyone who came there to participate in the scheduled event.

Usually, when the interruptions are relatively rare, nothing happens to the person, as long as they leave when asked without much resistance.

But if enough people do this stuff then it has the potential to completely eliminate the ability for the target to hold events. That was obviously the goal of the organized action in Chicago on Friday. In those cases the punishments should be the same as they are for people who interrupt other kinds of events, which can be rather harsh.

There has to be something to deter people from violating the rights of expression and assembly of those they disagree with.

I’m afraid that regarding the anti-GMO item your sources have passed you only part of the whole truth. Sanders is only in favor of labeling, but regarding the use of GMOs " It is not my view, nor have I suggested, that GMO food causes health problems." From an AMA in Reddit.

I do have a beef with his opposition to nuclear power, but he is not against renewable energy.

QFT

Jump on stage at a concert and try to touch a performer. You might get smacked. Having a ticket to an event is not a license to disrupt it. Are people really this confused about property rights?

The anti-GMO movement is the one pushing the labeling nonsense. He panders to the crowd big time. There wouldn’t be room on my sign for further nuance, were I someone who disrupted the rallies of people I disagree with, and needed such a sign.

They may have that right to flap them gums but Trump has the right to toss them out. Even forcibly if they resist. Try testing security somewhere, so many people,that don’t live in the real world forget how rules are enforced in the real world. It’s not with a kid note.

Speaking of which, do we have the right to say what we wish on this message board? No we don’t. And if we say things that go against the rules the mods can ban and erase the posts. It’s the same concept. Now in my house or walking down a public road I can say what I wish, in theory, without being consequenced.

The difference is your examples aren’t virtue signaling to the people who think correctly.

Was he naked? It isn’t any fun if they don’t do it naked.