Of course not. It’s all a conspiracy. The black female officer witnessing the stuff lying of course about Bland fighting. And the EMT that came lying about the scrapes on Encinia. All plotting together - probably deciding to murder Bland in jail so she doesn’t uncover the conspiracy.
Not even close.
By the way, just out of curiosity, do you think her family’s and friends’ inexplicable inability to find $500 to bail her out for three days - does that “apply some culpability for her death” to them?
I trust my own eyes and ears.
Do you not trust your own eyes and ears?
Citizens should be able to challenge what cops are doing without fear of jailtime, insults or physical abuse. And no, we should not have to be verbally respectful if they are being abusive jerks. That might be the “smartest” option, but not everyone can keep their cool when a nut says they are going to “light [you] up”.
No.
That some people sometimes suck at their job (and the less you pay them, train them, and treat them the more likely they are to suck) but that doesn’t make it the civil rights violation of the Century or the equivalent of murder.
This is a hyperbolic argument and you know it. monstro, nor I, nor many others aren’t saying anything like this.
She was cuffed before backup arrived. Then manhandled her and hurting her in the cuffs, making her more aggitated, until he forced her to the ground.
All we’re asking is why didn’t he just put her in the damn cruiser all those minutes, were she could be more calmly and comfortably detained?
And you bolded the wrong part:
Encinia: This officer saw everything.
Female officer: I saw everything.
Bland: And (muffled) No you didn’t. You didn’t see everything leading up to it …
Female officer: I’m not talking to you.
Bland: You don’t have to.
Defuse. De-escalate. Calm things down (starting with yourself). Not such a fine interpretation in my opinion.
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It actually reminds me of one of the Fat Man’s laws from The House of God:
AT A CARDIAC ARREST, THE FIRST PROCEDURE IS TO TAKE YOUR OWN PULSE
It’s an interesting look at just how different people are. Some think a woman, wearing glasses and a dress, because of a minor traffic stop, should be violently thrown to the ground, injuring her head, and that such a thing is perfectly fine, because she resisted something somehow.
Other people think slamming a woman to the ground, who was wearing glasses and a dress, because of a traffic stop, isn’t very professional, maybe even a wrong thing to do.
I can’t even imagine the mind set of someone who believes the male officer was trying to calm the situation down. But it does show in stark clarity, why an eyewitness account is of such little value. People watch the same video, but see a different scene. That’s really something to think about.
We don’t know the details or circumstances behind that. Maybe they were doing everything they could to spring her out.
It’s not the same thing. At all.
Others have addressed this. Why do you keep coming back to it?
It was the weekend.
She was hundreds of miles away.
They may have had no experience with the criminal justice system and so may not have understood the process.
They may have assumed they’d be contacted to arrange.
(In fact, I seem to recall that Ms. Bland didn’t even contact them until day 2 or day 3)
REGARDLESS, what is your point? Blame not just the victim but their family, too? You make me wonder just what your agenda is here? But I don’t want to color this discussion by getting into it.
You’re arguing a strawman. I never made those claims.
You’re taking a reasonable discussion about the need for more and improved police training and distorting it.
Why? Who would be against a better trained police force?
Yes. For the record:
She initially contacted someone she had known when attending school in Texas. He told her he’d be there “in an hour”, and never showed up, or answered her subsequent calls. She finally contacted her family, and they contacted the bail bondsman. She would have been released the day they found her hanging.
She was alone in the cell for those days, her “friend” abandoned her, she missed the first day of her new job. She waited to call her family - maybe she didn’t want them to know? I can’t see blaming her or her family for all that. I hope her supposed friend feels guilty for leading her on, but who knows what his story was.
Frylock started getting into “moral culpability”. Apparently he thinks that the police officer has “moral culpability” for Bland killing herself. If so, the family and friends have just as much if not more “moral culpability” since they left her in jail for that long. And yes, you can bail someone on the weekend and hundreds of miles away. And if you don’t understand the process, you’d think you would educate yourself on the process if you care about someone being in jail.
As I said before, if it was my sister/daughter/niece/friend in jail, it would take me a lot less than 3 days to bail them out. It’s funny just how everyone who is blaming the cop for the suicide is immediately coming up with a long list of excuses for the family/friends when the subject comes up.
I have never seen this. Cite?
I saw that she called the friend and left a voicemail. Apparently it was on Saturday early morning since she says on the voicemail that she “just was able to see the judge”.
The “finally” was on Saturday - she called her sister and her sister told her that she would “work on getting her out”. It takes literally a couple of hours for the bondsman to come out to jail and get her released. And they work 24/7. So - why did it take two days?
By the way, if you thought that Sandra Bland may not have had much experience with police during traffic stops and that may explain her uncooperation:
And NBC5 Investigates has found that – at the time of her death last Friday – she still owed a total of $7,579.00 in court fines resulting from five traffic stops in various Chicago suburbs (including a DUI), and she had been cited several times for her failure to pay those fines.
One of those stops was for, among other infractions (such as DUI), failing to signal when changing lanes.
This is like blaming the family of a rape victim for letting her go out alone. Wow. Just wow.
I have a question after reading the transcript of the extended dash-cam video. Emphasis mine:
Is this true? Are you technically “under arrest” whenever you get pulled over? So when he told her that she’s under arrest (which he claims here that he did not) was he really just referring to the traffic stop itself? Seems to me like a lot of dancing going on.
No, this is like wondering how/why the family knows on Saturday that their sister/daughter is in jail (she called her sister, the bondsman she contacted called her mother), and they leave her there instead of bailing her out, for $500.
From an interview with a woman who was in the cell across from hers: