Their business was concluded with the warning. He should have gone back to his squad car and skedaddled. Or if he changed his mind and wanted to give her a ticket, that was his choice. But when he directs her to put out a cigarette, that crosses the line. And no, there isn’t any way I could ever live in Texas or any of the other lesser states of the union.
When did the arrest occur in your scenario?
So let’s see what happened here:
A criminal who was incapable of driving properly was duly pulled over by law enforcement. She immediately assumed a combative and uncooperative attitude towards the officer, refusing direct lawful orders and resisting arrest. In a testament to the professionalism and competence of American law enforcement, she was arrested without harm to herself or others.
Like many leftists, she suffered from mental illness. She consequently committed suicide in her cell, possibly correctly predicting that her death would continue the progressive narrative of a surge in law enforcement violence (when actual facts indicate that police brutality is at an all time low). The video of her cell, the autopsy report, and the scarcity of lynchings in the last five decades all support the obvious conclusion of suicide.
And when does the ability end? At issuance of ticket or warning? Because That was his control and call. He ended the stop, but then
The guy lost his cool and had to keep it going. He was saying "this is not a (black) citizen state, this is a police state.
I think you might have lowballed the amount of arsenic to throw into the well. Maybe have a typhus patient take a steaming gurgling shit down there, just to be sure ?
I believe it is once the ticket is signed, but willing to be corrected.
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Am I the only one who doesn’t like either of them in that video?
She gives the cop a piece of her mind. Her right, but we all know the best way to beat a ticket is to be nice.
When she finishes answering the question, he didn’t have to ask her if she’s finished.
She baits him, he takes the bait, spiral downward ensues.
I find 60/40 at fault, cop being 60. He’s a pro, and when she was done being upset he could have handed her the warning and let it go. As a cop, if you can’t ignore people bitching, you are not cut out for the job.
But she overreacted, and I think she was trying to get a rise out of the cop.
As to the question of suicide: I have no idea what happened there.
Again, please explain how “Would you mind putting out your cigarette, please?” is illegal or humiliating.
No, they are not crimes. They are ways of communicating “I wish to be arrested, Mr. Police Officer”.
I believe the taser was against policy, so that’s more or less correct.
I believe Terr’s cite deals with your apparent belief that ordering her out of the car was illegal, or improper.
It was also his choice if he changed his mind and wanted her to step out of the car, or arrest her.
I don’t know the exact moment when the detention turned into a formal arrest. I suspect the officer decided to arrest her when she refused to get out of the car. But as mentioned, the police were legally justified in arresting her the minute they pulled her over. They weren’t going to - it was just a ticket - but as my father once told me, “you can’t usually talk your way out of a ticket, but you can sure talk yourself into one.” Or worse.
Regards,
Shodan
This thread is fun!
Oh, wait! I meant sad.
I see you haven’t meet some population of smokers that exist out there.
She was really a victim of nicotine shaming.
What I’m not understanding is why her contact with the outside world was so limited.
As far as we can tell, she only called one person–her sister. A full 24-hours after she had been arrested. Why had it taken her so long to make contact with someone? Had she only been granted that one phone call, or was it just that all her previous attempts had ended in voice mail?
It doesn’t seem likely that she was making phone calls that whole time. Because on the morning of her demise, she asks the officer on duty how to work the phone. Strangely, there is no record of her ever making a call after that.
Bland doesn’t appear to have any experience with the criminal justice system. I’m wondering if she floundered in jail for so long because she was naive enough to think they’d just spring her out of jail (like you sometimes see on TV). And maybe her family was a bit slow to react because they too were unfamiliar with the system. Who to contact and what to do? Maybe they were also naive and pollyannish. “Sandy says she didn’t do anything and that this is all bullshit. If they don’t have a case against her, surely they’ll let her out by the end of the day.”
I don’t intend this as a gotcha, but I’m curious if you have ever been pulled over for not using a turn signal to change lanes. Or not using a turn signal in any event.
I haven’t. I would like to know if any dopers have, and their race.
Do you think that it was way over the top to even pull her over for not using a turn signal, much less to issue a ticket for it?
In other words, was he being reasonable each step of the way? Yes, I know you can say it was within his legal power, but was he being reasonable?
These comments are utterly stupid.
This is just a side question, a possibly dumb one, and one not really specific to this case, but would she have been allowed access to her cell phone? I don’t know any of my family or friend’s phone numbers off by heart these days.
I was stopped and given a warning for it once. In Illinois. Am white. For the record, I was polite to the policeman.
It is not as rare as you think.
here here here here here here here here here and some of them were tickets not warnings.
I am sure a few hundred more can be found.
Fair enough. Thanks.
The law is on the books. Policemen enforce it, at their discretion. Maybe everyone else was driving really lawfully all day and the guy needed to give someone a ticket. I mean, once I was stopped for going 3 miles over the speed limit (gave it to my go-to lawyer for tickets, he laughed, I didn’t pay the ticket).
It is the HEIGHT of stupidity to aggravate the cop that stopped you for a traffic violation, and ten times more if he’s just giving you a warning. Bland’s behavior was irrational. Cops naturally respond to irrational behavior with increased suspicion. Then she refuses the lawful order to step out of the car (is being asked to step out of the car rare too?). Thus things escalate.
Texas is one of the top five ticket issuing states in the USA, it is a big source of revenue mostly for small rural towns.
I’ve lived in Texas and having an out of state plate in one of these places is basically an invitation to a tail until they find something to pull you over and ticket you for.
This is the source of my sense that sarcasm is the primary tone of the post. For instance, my snarkometer measures “…and the scarcity of lynchings in the last five decades all support the obvious conclusion of suicide…” at 874 millihicks. Very sarcastic.