I have been discussing this particular aspect (family support) of the Bland issue. Others have objected to my discussing this particular aspect. Such is life.
I admire your tenacity in sticking to the legal aspects of the various threads that you chose to participate in. Keep up the good work.
We both agree that the actions of the Bland family, and Sandra’s interpretation of those actions, may have had some effect on her fatal decision.
I agree with you that stopping Bland’s vehicle, and the subsequent arrest of Bland, was lawful.
If other people object to the stop or arrest, they owe it to themselves to find out which statues are applicable. If other people object to how Bland was stopped or arrested, they still need to understand the statue, plus court rulings, in order to understand how they were applied to Bland. Their choice.
“We” didn’t drag the evils of family life and suburbia into this thread. up_the_junction did. Maybe up_the_junction wishes to discuss Maslow but I suspect he’s trying to avoid a dicussion that doesn’t include automatic condemnation of all police officers, all the time. IMHO, of course.
I intend to speculate about the reasons for a family to support/not support one of it’s habitually troubled members.
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But the Bland family, in addition to reasonably not wanting to take this problem on that weekend, may have believed that she would be unable to kill herself while in “custody.” Their non action does not indicate a lack of sensitivity about her state of mind.
If my brother or daughter were to ever request that I bail them out of jail, that request would become my highest priority. You, and the Bland family, may have different priorities, based on your family experiences, of course.
I haven’t been in the situation but I reason that you can’t bail someone out a number of times without at some point failing to do it because of logistics or just teaching them a lesson. I don’t see how they fail as a family or didn’t love her because of that.
Ah-hem, HOW would SANDRA bland REACT to THE failure OF her FAMILY to BAIL her OUT of JAIL? It’s Sandra’s reaction to her family’s action that’s important.
Would the failure of her family to post her bail have had any effect on Bland’s mental wellbeing? Would it make her happy/grumpy/sleepy/bashful/sneezy/dopey?
To both doorhinge and Smapti: You yourselves both admit that the examples you’ve been able to come up with appear on the first page–in other words, right after the video was released. (Nearly a month ago, now).
This does not support the contention that it’s “usual” to assert that “the sheriff who arrested Bland must have murdered her”–*
Support for doorhinge’s assertion would more properly include examples more recent than the 22 July release-date for the dashcam video (which prompted this thread).
–(these being a direct quotation from doorhinge’s post #1778, linked to in my post #1787 to which you both replied).
I think it’s clear. It’s the same point Terr stressed earlier.
He wants to make sure we know they’re not like him. He would have made someone in his family a priority. They are different. If only they were more like doorhinge, and you know, people like him, maybe this wouldn’t have happened at all.
People continue to focus on the wrong aspect of this story.
This young lady tragically took her own life. Coupling her irrational behavior toward the police officer involved, her past action toward a security guard, and a Facebook post in which she mentioned PTS, mental illness was a glaring factor. We need to do more as a country to identify and treat mental illness.
Perhaps doorhinge is referring to the fact that claims of murder were made at the beginning of the debate and never retracted. It seems to me that you regard the fact that the people who made those claims have simply stopped making them as sufficient to claim that they have conceded the point.
And you’d be wrong. An entertaining mind reader, but wrong.
Sandra Bland committed suicide. Bland committed suicide to end whatever personal pain she was suffering from. You can try to understand why Bland committed suicide, or you can try to blame the sheriff, the jail personnel, and me, or you can make stuff up in order to participate in the thread. Either way, it’s always nice to hear from you.
Interesting. BTW, you forgot to answer my questions. Would the failure of her family to post her bail have had any effect on Bland’s mental wellbeing? Would it make her happy/grumpy/sleepy/bashful/sneezy/dopey?
FYI - From an anatomical viewpoint, when you point fingers, plural, the fingers are not pointing back to you. But I think I understand what you were trying to say.