Perhaps I’m mistaken, but I don’t think that people are calling Paris a slut because she has sex with lots of people. I don’t care how many people she has sex with, as long as she does it in relative privacy. But she doesn’t.
Liz Taylor was followed around by cameras for thirty freakin’ years, and yet I’ve never once seen her vagina. Coincidence? I think not.
Having sex with a lot of people makes you promiscuous. Having sex on two different videos and showing off your cooter makes you a slut.
Fair enough- the release of the first sex tape should have been a signal not to make another one, so that tells me either shes none too bright,natch, (what is that thing on the tripod with the lights over there?) or she doesn’t care.
I believe “slut” means “has an inordinate amount of sex,” and that privacy has nothing to do with it. Use of the term “slut” connotes disapproval of the behavior.
People will call someone a “slut” even if all the sex they had was done in secret, with the utmost discretion. A boyfriend discovering his girlfriend has been having some “on the side” might call her a “slut,” even if she did her best to keep it quiet. I don’t see a reason to think he’s using the term incorrectly.
-FrL-
This assumes that one believes there is such a thing as “an inordinate amount of sex.” Anyone who believes that is welcome to call anyone anything they want, as it’s likely the only joy they find in life.
I don’t like much of anything about your posts. And since you dragged my name in, I’m going to take them apart.
Like that “sex tape.” Yeah, right. This is an age of digital camcorders and digital camera phones. Most high tech young people have them and certainly almost every rich young person has one. And what do they do with them? People record everything and then put it up on YouTube and MySpace.
Except Paris didn’t. The tape was stolen.
And then there’s the sex tape with Nick Carter. I haven’t seen it, and you haven’t seen it. It was never released to the public from what I can tell. How did it get out? Did Paris put it up on her web site? No. It was stolen.
That’s the behavior of a slut, all right. And what about that first tape? I haven’t seen it, but there’s a clip out there that shows the first part, in which Paris is reluctant to pose and gets talked into it by her boyfriend.
Rick Soloman. A guy thirteen years older than the teenage Paris talks her into having sex while he films her. And his name never gets mentioned here. I will. Rick Soloman,Rick Soloman,Rick Soloman. There’s a slut if ever there was one. Why is he getting a pass? Why aren’t you climbing all over his back?
And by the way, who took that film of Nick Carter and Paris Hilton? A professional pornographer? One of her girlfriends? How much do you want to bet that it was a guy pal of Nick Carter’s? Who has never dated another women in his entire life. Well, no one except that
But he’s not a slut either. Only the women are.
So yeah. Paris Hilton is a slut because she had sex with her boyfriends. That means…
Whoa. Back up a minute. Paris Hilton, a single woman in her early 20s has had sex with her boyfriends. Her boyfriends. Boyfriends who lasted long enough to get tattoos of her name, like Nick Carter did. I’m not the expect on Paris’ behavior the way Biggirl is, but it’s hard to avoid mention of her. I don’t remember a pattern of history of her getting picked up by strangers and having one-night stands with them.
She hasn’t broken up any marriages either, that I can remember. She doesn’t sleep with married men. She’s learned from her mistake with Rick Soloman and sticks with boys her own age. Stone her!
She’s had sex with her boyfriends. More than one. I haven’t checked but I guarantee you could look around these boards for five minutes and find a dozen threads in which Dopers confess to having one-night stands and sleeping with more than one guy over the past seven years. What about it, Biggirl? I’m sure I’ll find your name in all of those threads jumping in and calling them sluts. No, wait. Their behavior is worse than Paris Hilton’s, so you’ve got to call them something worse than sluts. What that is, I don’t know. Whores of Babylon, maybe. Whatever it is you’ll find the right word, because your sense of morality wouldn’t allow you to do any less.
So Paris Hilton is a slut. She allowed herself to be filmed having sex with her boyfriends. And she wears short skirts without underwear. That’s the very definition of a slut. Well, no, that’s the very definition of an attention whore. Not really the same thing, is it? Paris Hilton is an attention whore. Stop the presses, we have breaking news! Yes she is, and a damn good one, too. Unlike so many of the trashy high-school dropouts who hit the fame lottery, Paris is a supremely beautiful woman who knows how to look the part at all times. She’s not smart about many things, but she’s smart about her image and she controls every jot and tittle of it. You know who that reminds me of? Madonna. And Madonna got all the same screaming imprecations from the viragoes who couldn’t handle it. And she came out the other end smiling.
Now Paris is not Madonna. She doesn’t have the talent. She’s - apparently, I don’t know her any more than you do - not really a nice person or a good human being. She hasn’t contributed anything to society. She’s used what society has offered her perfectly, though.
But is she a slut? No. Why? Because you haven’t offered any evidence that she is. Because you haven’t offered a definition of slut that wouldn’t apply to millions of woman you would never tar with the word. Because you have a bug up your nose about her that doesn’t allow you to see reality with any clarity.
You want someone to say in so many words that Paris Hilton isn’t a slut? Here is it: Paris Hilton is not a slut. As I said before the real problem is the double standard we have in this country, added to the calumny from women who should know better and who call other women sluts to brand them because they don’t like their behavior.
I don’t like Paris Hilton’s behavior either. But that’s not because she’s a slut.
I agree. Silverman’s comments are not only appropriate, they constitute a profound commentary on an America that knows no shame. Several posters have pointed to Paris Hilton as symptomatic of their generation, but in fact, this is non-generational. While it may have long been respectable and even noble to have been arrested and even sentenced and imprisoned for one’s beliefs and in the pursuit or defense of freedom, only recently has a jail sentence for drunkenness or outright lawlessness become a rite of passage. Hilton had no business being at the MTV awards, as if checking into jail later was just another appointment on her calendar. Silverman called her on it. Good for her.
Do you honestly believe that having sex is worse behavior than drunk driving, racist monologues, and public cooter flashing? Seriously? :dubious:
Did you honestly read my words at all?
I said if they were sleeping around with multiple one-night stands their sexual behavior was worse than Paris Hilton’s sexual behavior. That was in reference to the word slut. I didn’t defend any of her other behavior.
Now read my post again, every word. And apologize.
So what, Hilton has been on the firing line from talk show hosts and comedians for years now. I found nothing noteworthy in what Silverman did.
I did. And, um… no.
Perhaps you can explain to me why you’re so fond of the word slut that you don’t want it associated with the likes of Paris Hilton.
I laughed so hard the first time I heard that I nearly fell out of my chair.
But the funniest part is that Sarah Silverman’s whole schtick implies that she probably did attempt to sleep her way to the top.
I wonder what Eugene Levy has to say about that?
I’ve never thought Sara Silverman was funny, and I never thought Paris was worth emulating or even that attractive, but damn, people, what a pack mentality you all fall into, and it’s the same pack mentality, driven by derision and insults, that you get angry at Paris for supposedly falling into.
I’ve worn skirts with no underwear and never flashed anyone, I’ve slept with several men while dating, and I consider myself a lady. The reason I know I’m a lady, and that I was raised right, is that I don’t take pleasure in the humiliation of others. The virulent insults and smug commentary says more about the people posting than it does about Paris herself.
I should probably know better than to stick my nose into this, but…
Here’s part of what Exapno said:
(Emphasis added.) In other words (please correct me if I’m mistaken, Exapno), he’s not arguing that Paris is “better than sluts,” or that he’s too fond of the word to have it applied to her.
He is arguing, as would I, that the word “slut” carries with it an outdated, Victorian morality that puts a big scarlet “S” on the chests of women who have and enjoy sex, while allowing men who do the same to be “studs” or “players.” The person who calls a woman a slut does not simply intend to say that she has sex; the word means she has sex and is, solely because of having sex, unworthy of respect. No gynecologist (I assume) would ever ask his patient, “So, have you been acting like a slut lately?” No, he/she would ask, “Have you had sex recently” or use other judgment-free language.
The point being this: Paris is not a slut, because the concept of “being a slut” is myopic and outdated, and frankly has no place on a board dedicated to fighting ignorance.
As for making sex tapes with her boyfriends, I really don’t see how there’s any moral issue involved. If videotaping oneself having sex with a significant other is a crime, then you can lock me and probably many others on this board up. It’s not a smart thing to do if one is famous and doesn’t want it to be shown on the Internet, but I don’t think anyone’s arguing that Paris is a likely candidate for a Harvard scholarship.
Actually, I don’t think her stupidity led to making the tapes so much as her naivete did; recall, again, that both tapes were made by her then-boyfriends. I have a hard time calling someone stupid for trusting her boyfriend. It’s naive in the extreme, of course, especially when your boyfriend is a bottom-feeding sleazebag like Rick Salomon, but hell, she was 19 and he was 31 or something? Of course she trusted him; she was in awe at having captured an older, established celebrity. Naive, yes. But I don’t think stupid was the cause here. Not the main cause, anyway.
Don’t get me wrong: Paris Hilton is a stupid, shallow, vain attention-whore. I just don’t buy the “slut” accusations.
I like sluts. They’re neat.
Agreed- I can’t believe she’s with Jimmy Kimmel for his looks.
jackelope, you get it.
Now explain it to DianaG.
Oh, I so would, were I a Gyno…
Dr Astroboy pulls on his rubber gloves… SNAP
“So, have you been a nasty little slut lately?”
[sup]I’ll be in my room…[/sup]
Ideally, I would have sex with Sarah Silverman AND Paris Hilton.
Once I get warmed up with Ms. Hilton, I would give my A game to Ms. Silverman.
And now, back to the morality gangbang.
Wee Bairn (or anyone else), could you explain the Giraldo joke? Not the joke really, but Silverman’s reputation. I don’t really know anything about her personal life pre-Kimmel, and nothing I’ve seen online helps me understand the reference. I believe it though, because her attraction to Kimmel couldn’t possibly be based on looks or his sense of humor.