Saw Pirates 2...

The first ship looked more like a small fishing boat, not a pirate ship. The Kraken could swallow it whole.

“Hello…pirate!” aside, does it seem to anyone else like Captain Jack Sparrow was a bigger asshole in DMC than he was in the first movie?

[spoiler]I mean, when he left Will on the Flying Dutchman then went off to merrily harvest another 99 souls, it didn’t seem like it was part of a larger plan. At least not in the sense of “I’m going to do this, this, and this” and save Will at the end.

Were we to assume that would be part of the “Hey, Jones, I have your heart” negotiations, or was that simply to get Jones to remove the Dark Mark (or whatever it was called)?[/spoiler]

Another question:

How exactly was Will’s servitude going to be enforced? It seems like his plan from the beginning was to snag the key and flee, implying there wasn’t much in the way of contract enforcement going on. Did he manage to flee, free of supernatural breach-of-contract persecution because of the Liar’s Dice game? That’s what I got from Jones’ dialogue, but Will’s “It wasn’t about winning or losing” line confused me in that light.

The only thought I had on that was, unlike the other sailors, Will never willingly “made the deal” himself. Jack basically sold him as a slave to Davy Jones. That could explain why his servitude was different.

Um…er…of course that one! :smack: She went back to salvage the boat. That’s where she was the whole movie!

Actually, he did. He told DJ he was there to satisfy Jack’s debt

I stand corrected. :slight_smile:

Now we could argue the legal validity of a contract made under false pretenses, but neither Captain Jack Sparrow nor Captain Davy Jones seem the sort to fret over the finer points of business law.

Supernatural business law that is.

They’re more what you might call, “guidelines.”

Hey! Did I just find a joke that wasn’t recycled from the first movie?

DD

I forgot to mention that although Depp was again pretty good, he seemed to overplay the effeminate swishbuckling. Seeing him run like a girl was a bit over the top for me.

Can someone explain the monkey to me? How did he get undead in the first place, and why is he still undead after the curse was lifted?

Spoilers from the first movie.

After the credits of the first movie – after the curse was lifted, obviously – we see the monkey steal another coin from the chest, then jump at the camera, presumably killing and eating the cameraman. :wink:

I think someone mentioned it a few posts back, but at the end of the credits of the first movie, the monkey is seen taking a gold coin from the chest.

Remember people. ALWAYS stay till after the credits. ALWAYS. :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh, and I meant to ad re:Will’s servitude.

When Will first says he is there to settle Jack’s debt, DJ looks around and sees Jack’s ship (and Jack) so he didn’t take Will up on that offer, since he then went to settle his debt with Jack personally. After they talk, he says he will accept 100 souls (Will being #1) in exchange for Jack’s. At this point, Will’s soul (and therefore servitude) is in escrow, as it were, so neither Jack nor DJ owned it (though Jack never really owned it in the first place, but these are trivialties that sea-faring squid monsters care not about.)

Since DJ didn’t officially own Will’s soul at that point, he wasn’t under any kind of “supernatural” obligation to serve on the crew. He just served out of fear of dying/not getting to see Elizabeth. However, DJ took his bet of a lifetime of servitude because it’s clear that DJ never really expected Jack to get 99 more souls, and figured that he would lose Will in three days time anyway.

Here’s my take on it (some spoilers for PotC2, some speculation on PotC3). The end of “Dead Man’s Chest” has the crew

[spoiler] sitting around in voodoo lady’s shack, mourning the death of Jack. Voodoo lady asks whether they are willing to do something about it, they say yes. {paraphrasing} “They ye’ll be needing help from someone who’s sailed those dark waters”. Enter Barbossa.

My guess: Barbossa did die in PotC1, but brought himself back from the dead (my theory is that’s the “World’s End” in PotC3’s subtitle), and is going to help them do the same for Jack.
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Savvy?

Ah, that was an excellent explaination, bouv.

Yes it is, except that the party needing the rescuing is also the party that caused the party that would do the rescuing to need rescuing himself. SO the real question is why would he be willing to do such a rescue?

Savvy?

Voodoo curse? A debt to the woman? A big pile o’ gold? One last chance at revenge?

But – but I don’t want to be Little Plastic Pirate! Pirates are smelly and dirty. Ninjas are sleek and well-dressed and their swords are shinier! :frowning:

(And I thought the movie was very entertaining. Mad love for poor, poor Norrington)

Or…

Hello…pirate!

:smiley: