Okay. I’ll keep reading the studies on my own then. The ones I’ve read so far have been fine though. eg. The height one we already dissected here in this thread and it was fine. I also read the paternity one for example and it just copied the data table directly out. Only one here in the thread has been invalidated (the prison rape one).
Just because something involves a lot of information doesn’t mean it’s automatically false, does it? That would be equally dumb as assuming it must be right because there is a lot of information.
Is the crux of the incel issue that they can’t even get hookers to fuck them? Or is it that they are not capable of forming functional relationships with women and your solution is that they’d happily settle for the legalized 60 minute girlfriend experience?
Sex is not everything in life, at least not for me. I’m not young anymore. I’ve already done all that when I was. I don’t plan for a family, so I don’t really care about the usual stuff most people care about. I’m quite happy dating a girl once every few months or so for a bit. I like my independence.
But yes, I have a problem with leaving discussions when I feel like I am being baited constantly in general. I am mildly compulsive. I should probably stay off web forums in general.
I took my first AI class nearly 50 years ago, and if you think there will be sexbots with agency in 50 years, I’d make you a bet but I won’t be around to collect it.
If a bot had agency, and was not a slave, if the incels act as they act now she’d walk out on him. If not, anyone with any need for a true relationship would not be satisfied.
I’ve asked you a couple of times about why they don’t use prostitutes who are readily available. I’d guess it is because they don’t fulfill the need for connection. Neither will a sex therapist, whose job should be getting them to meet real women. (And I’m all in favor of legalization with regulation.)
Now that’s a real problem. I wonder if the mistress culture in France, say, was the result of so many eligible men getting blown up in WW I.
But it has nothing to do with incel culture in the US, where there is no imbalance. Except for very old women and men, that is. I understand that very old men have it good. My father-in-law had a girlfriend at 100, so this might be right.
Asian women were half as likely as Asian men to be unpartnered (i.e., 18% versus 35%).
Asian men, but not black or Hispanic men, exhibit significantly lower odds of involvement than white men. Specifically, they have roughly half the odds of current involvement as white men.
We found no evidence that socioeconomic resources or physical characteristics were driving the lower levels of involvement among Asian men. Instead, our findings are consistent with the notion that Asian American men are at the bottom of the racial hierarchy when it comes to the different-sex dating market.
If “Asian cultural values” account for differences in romantic partnership formation, we would have found similar patterns for Asian women as Asian men. In fact, the opposite was true.
A racial hierarchy explanation suggests that Asian American men will be less likely than Asian American women to be partnered, as Asian American men face gendered cultural stereotypes barring them from entry into romantic partnerships.
Where is the bullshit? Seriously? If this is all wrong, I will sleep better at night. So how is it wrong?
Yes I agree the need for connection is an important part, which is why I was saying I don’t think they need just regular slam-bang prostitutes. But rather sex workers who can provide that sense of connection.
As for the west, if there is even a slight degree of female hypergamy which does seem to be backed by the evidence that top level men are having more sex than ever while more of the total men are becoming celibate, that would imply there is an artificial gender imbalance being created. Ie. For every one guy juggling two girls, there is one guy left out. Jordan Petersen has talked about this before in terms of what marriage was - enforced monogamy to a prevent polygamous society. As I said, I don’t think there’s any way to go back to that, so I think there have to be other solutions.
When do you estimate there could be walking even dumb basically interactional sex robots by? Ie. Just “how was your day” and walking around an apartment or assuming sex positions?
Fair, but impractical for many, about Nevada. IDK about the rest as I have not engaged the services of a sex worker (not even a stripper) within the U.S. But the example of Bob Kraft makes me wonder.
Okay. I’ll state it directly. I don’t want my tax dollars paying for your entertainment. But apart from that caveat, bang all the hookers and sex robots you want. It should be totally legal starting today. Science says it’s OK. You win.
Does that mean you’re done here? I have this sneaking feeling that this pitch doesn’t end with legal sex robots and legal prostitution.
Why didn’t you just ask this at the outset? It has now, after torturous contortions, become clear that this is what’s been on your mind the whole time. Why did you dilly-dally so?
Man, this entire “well, people could change themselves, but it’s too hard, so other people should be forced to have sex with them” thing is getting old.
I’m thinking out loud. Discussion forces you to establish, defend, and solidify your positions. That’s why we do it. I proposed my initial thoughts for solutions in the first or second page within a few hours of starting the thread. I was hoping to get some other unbiased opinions first, because sometimes if you bias someone first, they won’t give you another idea but rather just stick to that one. It turns out that fear was unfounded since almost no one here is capable of providing any ideas at all on the subject besides “they need to work on themselves” or social Darwinism. Or to claim everything is “bullshit” without actually demonstrating how. Like I said, waste of time except that I suppose it made me reflect more on the subject, and I do now think that is the best temporary solution along with reducing stigma for sex work, reducing societal pressure for sex in the media, and working towards a future where undesirable men can just get a sex robot and be done with it.
I agree. I am in favor of as low taxes as possible. If it were up to me I would cut a lot of social services. I said legalize not subsidize. If you have a better idea post it. This thread is high on personal attacks and low on actual ideas.
My advice to incels: if you feel frustrated and pissed off that your looks, height, race, or indeed even your personality, are making it impossible for you to get laid, please try to take that feeling and channel it into a guitar or a drum set. (Not a bass though, as playing the bass properly requires alpha status, so you have no shot, don’t even try.) Anyway shred the shit out of your guitar or bash the hell out of that drum kit and keep telling yourself that if you’re good enough to get on stage and play in front of an audience, women will want to fuck you even if you’re short and have a small dick. Someday you may even be able to play the bass. Please just do this and don’t shoot me.
Sweet Lazy Jesus. Two different boards in one day.
“But I can’t think of any ideas, so I’m demanding that everyone else here come up with them for me and I’m getting quite irate that you all refuse to do it for me!”
Go use one of these as an anal dildo while you ponder your own answers to this mystery and stop getting angry at total strangers for not doing it for you.
There are women keeping several men on a string also, so I think it might balance out a bit.
A sex bot who could have Siri loaded and assume various positions on command is a mechanical engineering problem, but nothing as fundamental as strong AI, so long before 50 years, no doubt.
But here’s the thing. I guy who this kind of bot would satisfy is demonstrating exactly the problem I was talking about. Clearly that person wants who fulfills his purely sexual - but not emotional - needs. I’d like to think that no incel would be truly satisfied with this kind of sexbot but perhaps I’m giving them too much credit.
I’m sure that there are men who are convinced that a higher priced prostitute feels for them. That’s a good talent for the woman to have. But your therapist is not your friend and your sex therapist is not your real lover.
I’m fine with men banging away at their sex toy or palm or liver or unaware sexbot. But if any of this is what satisfies them in terms of a connection to another person, they have serious emotional problems.
A guy goes up to a fancy restaurant. He is refused entrance because he isn’t dressed properly, doesn’t have a reservation, and a quick credit check shows he can’t afford dinner there anyhow.
He stands outside, offended. A friend comes up and hear his sob story.
“There is a good diner down the street. Why not go there?”
“Don’t want to, it is beneath me.”
“Well, why not save up some money, get some decent clothes, make a reservation and then come back?”
“Don’t want to. They should just let me in. All restaurant owners are pigs.”
The guy stays outside and starves to death. But first he ate pictures of the food in the restaurant that ran with the reviews. Didn’t nourish him, though.
