For those that just watched the Braves-Giants game:
The score is 3 to 1, Giants lead, bottom of the ninth, Braves at bat. Franco on first, Furcal on third, one out. Chipper Jones hits a grounder to first. Snow fields it, steps on first base, then starts down the basepath to try and tag Franco. After about six steps, Snow tosses it to Kent who, after a couple more steps, tags out Franco. I find it inconceivable that during this time, Furcal has not scored. But that’s the only explanation for the final score being 3-1. Am I missing something?
You should have stuck with the broadcast until after the last commercial break. (I know, the game itself had already dragged on for four hours.) They showed a simulcast of Furcal and the infielders. Furcal was watching the play and did not bother to touch home plate, if at all, until long after the play was over.
A score counts on a play which results in a non-force-out third out, provided that the runner touches home before the out is recorded.
So the inconceivable turns out to be the case … seems like sloppy baserunning to me: Snow showed no intention of going home, and if Franco had somehow gotten out of the game-ending pickle, it might have left Furcal in one himself. Anyway, thanks for the recap jklann.
I once saw a play in which, with runners on 1st and 3rd, 2 out, a ball was hit to the second baseman who decided to tag the runner coming from first. The runner recoiled and started back to first (where the batter was heading, so there was no base there for him) and was eventually tagged. But the umpire pointed to home plate to indicate that a run had scored. If the second baseman had simply stolled over to touch 2nd, when the runner recoiled, the run could not have scored. Note that this is different from the rule at first, where the run does not count whether it is a force or tag.
As for Furcal, what difference could it have possibly made whether or not he scored. He certainly could gone home if somehow the tag had not been made. Or returned to 3rd, as far as that goes.
I heard on the radio this morning that if he had tagged home it would have counted. Statistically maybe important, in the grand scheme of things unimportant.
Hijack question: When Bonds (finally) hit home runs in the post-season do these count towards his lifetime totals? Would they count toward a single season record, if that were appropriate this year?
Postseason statistics do not count towards lifetime totals. They’re a completely separate category. So Hank Aaron’s 755 career home runs do not include his six career postseason homers.
Because they don’t. There are lifetime postseason totals, but these are never included in the overall stats of any player. This isn’t just for baseball, either; even a sport that has an extensive postseason, like hockey, has separate tallies for the regular season and the postseason.
Aaron hit 755 home runs in the regular season, which is his official career total. He hit 6 more home runs in the post season, which is his official post-season total.
Do you want to count the All-Star Game and spring training too?
Try looking in the Baseball Encyclopedia or any other reference. “Career” totals only include the regular season.
I’m not sure what you mean, but just go to this page and you’ll see that none of his homers are in the postseason, and it adds up to 755. Some of his homers are in October, but they are still regular season games.
It’s the custom in most sports in North America to not count postseason stats toward career stats.
College football does, but only starting with this year. Before that, some conferences would count bowl games, but not others. The NCAA has standardized that this year.
As for Furcal, if there had been a misplay by the Giants, then he would have been able to score easily. He was just watching to see how it all played out. He knew that no one was going to make a play on him. The tying run was Franco.