ISIS arose out of a power vacuum created by a boots-on-the-ground war done wrong. It may take doing a boots-on-the-ground war right to stamp them out - and by doing it right, I mean maintaining military jurisdiction over Syria and Iraq for the better part of a century rather than fucking off the instant thing seem to have cooled down.
I’m not strictly in favour of it, but it just might be necessary.
I was thinking that terrorists attacking UK countries would force the US into a ground war with our allies. Part of their little plan? Who the fuck knows. They’re fucking shit-brained.
Recreational outrage?
While BBC is has been reporting 100 dead at the Bataclan for the past hour or so, the French network TF1 is still declining to assign a number.
I was thinking about that, but when the triggering event doesn’t take place in the U.S., I have to wonder just how eager the average voter is going to be to send their kids to war to support foreign allies, given the war-weary atmosphere the past few years.
FWIW, the Dutch news report 100 dead in the concert hall.
Well, no matter what they do, we’re not about to nuke Mosul, are we?
Irresponsible reporting. I had already seen that image many minutes earlier on Twitter, and there were already responses explaining that it was an unrelated incident from another day entirely.
Perhaps you would care to explain clearly how your mindset of advocating the nuking of millions of innocents is different from the mindset of the terrorists who killed scores of innocents?
“Kill them all, let God sort them out”, I guess…? (Not that I advocate that philosophy, but it was purportedly formulated a long time ago…)
But this “war” is coming soon to a country near you (i.e. the USA). This is where the evil bastards really want to carry out their massacres. We (the USA) are the Big Prize. Just as soon as these animals figure out a way to get in and attack here, they will. The question is, do we wait for that attack before we react with real force? Or do we act preemptively.
I am not a fan of preemptive war. Not at all. But this whole thing isn’t going to just run it’s course. It’s going to take decisive military action and lots and lots of blood to even attempt to stop this. Is this just a Middle East problem? Just a European problem? Or is it an issue on which the entire world must unite to aggressively address.
True, BrainGlutton… it is not as if there is a proper capital to level with a firestorm and they know it
True – Red Brigades, ETA, Red Army Faction, Provisional IRA, heck go all the way back to Gavrilo Princip triggering WW1.
I remember a satyrical headline shortly after 9/11 along the lines of: "Britain, Israel, Spain, Italy, India to US: Welcome to the F*ing Club"
However…
You could satisfy ETA and the IRA by surrendering the Basque Country or Northern Ireland, and Spain and Britain may have been able to shake it off and say “it’s YOUR problem now”. This new generation of threat, OTOH, is a whole another can of worms…
Plus now we know islamofascist terrorists apparently hate Cambodian restaurants 
BTW, is Friday 13 considered an evil date in French culture?
And I’m saying we’ve heard this before, 14 years ago, after an attack that actually happened on American soil. Now that all the subsequent events and their consequences have become clear, I don’t think there are a lot of people who’ll forget that the exact same rhetoric was already used, and it arguably led to this entire situation to begin with, AND it wasn’t this country that was directly attacked this time.
I think that HAS to have an impact.
Through Reuters, French foreign ministry is reporting that French airports and international rail links will remain open for now.
Something like this was due to happen, sooner or later. There’s no difference between the situation yesterday and the situation today.
I’m worried about the consequences it will have on the political climate in France, on the public opinion and on public liberties. I find the fact that they decreed a state of emergency worrisome. I hope they have good reasons for doing that, that it serves a real purpose, rather than to be implemented as a political gesture to convince the public that they’re taking this event very, very seriously.
I am really leaning to agree with you. And we’re at least one of the big prizes-- the nut jobs have their heart set on the whole fucking globe. Maybe they never heard of Ancient Rome.
But do we or any of our other allies have locations on cells or bases in other regions like Syria and Iraq? Are we just watching? Should we send nukes from ships? I don’t even know what anyone knows about the terrorist locations and training camps. If we don’t have this info, we send in troops? Ugh. I have no knowledge in this.
RIP
Day-to-day stuff for Religion of piss. Only thing is it’ll get slightly more coverage than it had got if it happened in a place like say Afghanistan.
It was a very dark joke that I don’t truly advocate because I don’t want to live in a world where nuclear use is allowed for anything less than MAD defensive purposes.
That said, I don’t believe that all cultures are equal and that the Middle East will ever get better on its own because of their own historical and current religious conflicts. As long as they keep their brutal conflicts on their own soil, I am a non-interventionist. However, when they start exporting their brutality en masse to Europe or the U.S., I am all for a multinational campaign that destroys ISIS’s territory regardless of how many people it kills. Cruise missiles and conventional bombs can do that job just as well as nukes if you use enough of them.
That said, I would prefer that the U.S. be involved as little as possible at this point. I have no idea what ISIS was thinking when they took on Putin deliberately but that could be a strong advantage because Putin is the last dictator on Earth that I would pick a fight with. The man takes his power seriously and still has plenty of resources to back it up compared to most countries. Let him lead the campaign to destroy ISIS.
But that’s because we (the USA) meddle in the Middle East, isn’t it? How is sending more American troops to the Middle East going to improve the situation??
Things seem to have quietened down. No more reports of attacks.
The police/military got the concert hall cleared very quickly, from what I could tell. 118 dead there is what I’m hearing, plus another attack at a shopping mall.