That would be strange. An open border between NI and the Republic, and a hard border with Scotland.
Seems unlikely!
You’re talking about the impact of hard Brexit on the referendum outcome. I’m talking about the impact of hard Brexit on the existence of a referendum itself.
It may be that in the event of a referendum hard Brexit is a Unionist recruiting sergeant as you suggest. But if a referendum is happening, all outcomes are in play. Avoiding the referendum is the surer way to keep the Union intact. Sturgeon did not and does not have majority support for a referendum now. But May’s intransigence has given her a window to call for one on the well-tested grounds that Westminster is silencing Scots. It may work out alright in the end, but it’s a gamble.
It’s clear you have not. This was all gone through last time around.
Which part of independence are you failing to understand? By voting for independence we would be voluntarily surrendering English / rUK citizenship.
You would be thrown back at the border.
Let’s start with this- How would I be surrendering my British nationality?
With a British passport stating that I had the right to residence?
By being a Scottish citizen in an independent Scotland. Again, which part of independence are you failing to understand?
Your British passport would no longer be valid as you would no longer be a British citizen. You would instead have a Scottish passport. I ask again, which part of independence are you failing to understand?
Sadly, unlikely does not seem to be what it was as a predictor of what might happen.
Personally, I suspect it would be heavily dependent on how badly an independent Scotland’s economy could tank. The worse it goes, the more interesting being redeemed by Norway would look.
It’s entirely possible that the Orkneys and Shetland might ask to remain part of the rUK.
Quite true. Legally more complicated, but easier in practice. Assuming the rUKs economy weathers better than Scotlands, probably more probable as well.
I would not be a Scottish citizen unless I applied for it. I would be an expat living in Scotland. But any other nationality is allowed joint British nationality without giving up their right of residence.
Why would my passport not be valid? I just happen to be resident in Scotland.
Residence in any other country does not strip you of citizenship,
It is worth pointing out that people born before 1948 in Ireland are automatically eligible for a full British passport with normal rights to residence. See Terry Wogan.
No. All UK citizens resident in Scotland would become Scottish citizens, having rejected and disposed of UK citizenship through the independence vote.
You are in cloud cuckoo land. Please provide some support for your idea.
How would passports be differentiated at Border control?
Say I fly to New York from Glasgow and return into Heathrow. Hiw would they knw I had been resident in Scotland at Independence.
How about all the English, Welsh and Northern Irish in Scotland?
How about Scots in the armed forces?
How about the Common Travel area?
Why are all Irish citizens born before final partition eligible for full British citizenship?
I’m not the one resorting to insults.
Your passport has a number. That will be checked. Indeed, I would not be surprised if new passports were issued to rUK citizens the day after a Scottish vote for independence.
Again, your passport has a number. Your name is on a database.
Assuming they had a vote, they / we would become Scottish.
They get given a choice.
An independent Scotland would not be a member until it negotiated membership.
Scotland’s budget deficit outside of the UK is projected at 9-10%, far too high to meet EU fiscal norms at present. It also receives far more than its taxpayers put in via the Barnett formula. GDP per capita is a broad economic measure, not a fiscal one.
What a difference a fathead makes !
Yeah, the idea that all of the persons resident in Scotland would “automatically” retain English/British citizenship is questionable. It’s not unheard of for someone to lose their passport rights in the case of national split ups as their old ones became invalid and become replaced by new ones for a new state.
If I had to guess neither side would be interested in people who are just living in Scotland for work and whose family is in the South, and who intend to move back some day losing British citizenship. But I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a period of time during which Scottish residents can apply to retain British citizenship, but I doubt it’ll be automatic.
These people moving to the South is not a good thing for the Scottish independence argument, you’re basically talking about a “brain drain” as it’ll be the more skilled workers getting out of dodge first most likely.