So… it will be a bad idea economically, but fuck it we’re kind of angry? That’s the pitch?
But it’s not being removed; by deciding to be a separate, independent, country people would be giving up the right of residence - and work and everything else - in the rest of the UK. What part of independence do you not understand?
A little more nuanced than that. But Scots hate being told what to do by England.
In the past few days May has lectured the democratically elected Scottish Government about how it should conduct its affairs, criticised the health and education system, resisted a second referendum, refused to agree to return devolved powers from Europe to Holyrood, and threatened the 1998 devolution settlement.
It has not been well received. I think she faiis to understand Scottish sentiment.
I suspect she may be our best campaigner.
No. Such rights are basically inalienable. What part of international law do you not understand.
That’s decidedly wishful thinking. A Scotland that voted for independence would find itself getting short shrift from the remainder of the UK.
Only if they wanted to create a failed state and massive immigration. It would not happen. No one has suggested it. Britsh Citizenshipmand residence are immutable.
Please provide cites for your views.
It has not been well received by the SNP. Everyone else seems delighted that Wee Kelpie has been put in her place again.
I am a Scot, so spare me the reductive explanations of how I feel. I’m pissed off about Brexit, and especially about May’s approach, but if the pitch is a slightly more nuanced version of “It’s a bad idea economically, but fuck those guys”, I’m out.
The other thing they used to say about Scots is that we had a good head for numbers and were governed by unsentimental common sense. But that was in the days when we had a good education system.
Watch for a bounce in the next set of polls!
So the Queen — who’s removal as Head of State in order to make a new Scottish Republic, the end-game, will accede to Scotland’s place in the Commonwealth just to be nice ? Not that it’s up to her. There would be little in it for the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting and the Commonwealth Secretariat to let in a new nation, any more than for the EU to do so — and the EU is in no hurry when it let’s new people in: takes about 10 years, and Scotland would have to queue behind the 8 countries now in line, who would be justly aggrieved if Scotland demanded primacy; presumably on the legal grounds of "Wha’s Like Us !"
And as was pointed out above, Ireland is not part of the Commonwealth since it finally cut the ties that bond.
No they’re not immutable. Scotland would be giving them up. It’s a big difference.
A vote for independence is a vote for leaving the UK, therefore giving up citizenship and all rights. Scots would have no right of residence in England. An impoverished Scotland would be very desirable for British business as a threat to British workers.
Which part of independence are you failing to understand?
1/ There us minimal support for a Republic in Scotland
2/ The Queen would automatically become Queen if Scotland or remain Queen of the UK including Scotland, England, Wales and NI as a realm rather than a political entity.
3/ The Commonwealth is administered by its secretariat and the Queen takes no part in its day to day running.
4/ Her role as head if the Commonwealth is not hereditary, but merely a personal position.
5/ No vote is necessary to admit to the Commonwealth a Democracy in good standing that was once under British rule.
6/ Scotland has laws totally aligned to the EU law.
7/ Admission to the EEA would be smooth and quick, forming a halfway house with access to the single market and customs union.
Apart from that your post is totally accurate
Any cite or other support for your opinion would be appreciated.
When Singapore left/was pushed from Malaysia Singaporeans they got new passports and their previous rights to be Malaysian citizens no longer applied.
Ah, the power of day-dreams !
You really haven’t quite thought that through, have you? There is the small matter of part of the island of Ireland being still within the UK.
Not to mention the contrast between, on the one hand, the entire bitter history of British-Irish relations still culminating in a common travel area and residence and voting rights in the UK, and, on the other, your suggestion that a so far reasonably polite and civilised debate about Scottish independence must necessarily culminate in all such residual links between Scotland and the rump UK being immediately ruled out.
:rolleyes:
I said border controls and checks. Not that they would declare a free fire zone at the border. Plus it was easy to setup checks on travel between GB and the Island of Ireland, there were controls on travel from NI to the mainland till IIRC, 1952.
Also, right now the main focus of the Brexit campaign was control of borders, do you think the rUK is going to agree to an essentially open border to the rest of the EU?
There’s quite a bit of smuggling between the Ulsterfolk and the Irish. Scottish Independence, with border controls along the Cheviots and the Royal Navy repurposed to patrol duty in St. George’s Channel and the German Ocean, would certainly offer glittering opportunities to practitioners of this ancient craft.
Groceries and cheap Chinese crap they can’t afford flowing north; whisky, drugs and people to the Sassanachs.
Perhaps you might refer to a dictionary and look up the word ‘independence’?
We are still bothered about polls? You admit yourself it will probably only be a bounce. Im fairly sure that whenever Indyref2 takes place not one Scot will give a flying f*ck about May “lecturing” Nicola Sturgeon. Economic numbers will take precedence over all else.