‘Great’, of course, because then we’ve bagged a scum.
Yeah, I don’t know if it’s really a trust list, per se … at least so far people seem to be voting people in mostly on grounds of appearing to be a calm and/or rational player, and being available at the right time. I’d guess no-one who’d gotten a lot of suspicion previously would wind up in the leader’s seat, but that would hardly be telling Scum anything they don’t already know. I suggest we keep things on these relatively neutral grounds, with a different leader every day, until we have a reason to change things up.
Re: OAOW – glad he clarified the situation. I see no reason for a claim on the face of it. Being disqualified from leader doesn’t point to any particular role (at least that I can see), and he’s not in danger of being lynched.
As far as I know I can elect.
I have no prior knowledge of either of the main candidates, so I am going to throw out a
elect AllWalker
As long as we don’t vote in a scum, I don’t think it much matters who is leader - town should act pro-town after all. Given we have no knowledge right now to determine scum from non scum, either of these 2 would do for me, I’ll back the guy in front.
OaOW was ineligible from the beginning.
For the most part, there were no night actions Night 0.
On the one hand, the main problem with claiming is that it paints a bulls-eye on you for the scum, and that damage is now done. (And was already done when you got the role in the first place).
On the other hand, I’m having a hard time thinking of a role where it would really help Town much at all to know all about it on Day One. Masons, maybe.
But I guess I’d say don’t bother fully claiming yet.
Boozahol(2): Peeker, Chronos
Tom Scud(8): Freudian Slit, Drain Bead, Alkaseltzer, tiltawhirl, DaphneBlack, USCDiver, allwalker, Tom Scud
AllWalker(10): Tom Scud, CatInSuit, Normalphase, Jimmy, Boozahol, AllWalker, TF, coldphoneix, Gryff, OaOW
The voting for leader ends Friday at 12:22 PM Eastern
I do hope that Mahaloth is on around then, since I’m not sure I’ll be here to do it.
I think Daphne might also have been thinking of this post as suggesting One was more likely to be scum; in fact, on re-thinking, I think my reasoning here was wrong. It’s a pretty nasty drawback for any role, but probably worse for scum or third-party (whose whole game involves staying undetected) than for town, despite the bulls-eye element.
Oh, and when should the leader start the clock? We’ve had suggestions of Thursday or Tuesday.
Tuesday would make for a very slightly faster game, but the big difference to me is that we’d end up with a weekday Night if we end Day on Wednesdays, and a weekend Night if we end them on Fridays.
The plus side of a weekday Night is that it makes it less likely that Town power roles will miss an action, and I think it’s much more likely that an isolated Townsperson would miss an action than that a scum (who would have people screaming at him on the scum board) would miss an action on a weekend night.
The plus side of a weekend Night is that there would be two more weekdays of discussion; the weekends are likely to be slower. On the other hand, even with a Wednesday Dusk we get 2 1/2 days of discussions, and it will be the last 2 1/2 days when the action will be thicker.
On balance, I think the advantages of a Wednesday dusk (and thus starting the clock on Tuesday) are greater than those of a Friday dusk.
Thoughts?
Well, I suggested ending it on Wednesday because of Pleonast’s games, which always seemed to work so well.
Also, if we need to extend a Day through discussion, we don’t immediately run into the weekend
Vote Allwalker
I don’t think it matter who our leader is right now and I think that separating Tom and AW is better then bringing us closer to a tie.
As far as OAOW goes I’m in favor of hearing what the role is. At this point you’ve claimed a power role so if you’re not scum they know you’re a Town power role and therefore are a great target for a Night 1 kill. I think we can learn more about the game mechanics from you telling us about your powers then from getting your role name after you die. That said there are obvious exceptions the first being why a power role is outed as part of the game mechanics and the WIFOM that creates for both sides.
I think the Day should end as close to the weekend as possible our discussion is more important for finding scum then the use of Town powers. If we are really worried about powers being forgotten maybe we should end the Day on Thursday as opposed to Friday but I think that losing two days of conversation every Day will end up hurting the town.
I don’t see any trust lists coming out of the leader votes. Nor is it an advantage for scum to have the position unless we’re sitting at LYLO. Which is something to keep in mind, both for the mods and the players. If we come to LYLO and a scum ends up as leader, it is entirely possible to end up in a situation that is basically a draw. The Town votes for a scum, and the scum that is leader refuses to vote, making the Day never end. Obviously not even close to an issue now, but something to consider later.
OAOW, I don’t see a pressing need for you to claim right now. The knowledge that your ineligbility comes from your own role is enough.
I’ve been really impressed with Tom Scud’s commentary and play in the last couple games. For a starter leader, I have no issues with voting for him for it.
Vote Tom Scud
I like day ending on either Wednesday or Thursday, but that’s purely a personal preference.
My thoughts around me claiming
In general part claims are bad, viewed as the claimee hedging until they have thought up their cover. The difference here is that I have been part claimed by the game mechanics I am known to be non vanilla by all and sundry. I (being in full possession of the facts of my role) am trying to decide what is best to do here. Input from all you guys is great to help me come to a decision.
Boozahol(2): Peeker, Chronos
Tom Scud(9): Freudian Slit, Drain Bead, Alkaseltzer, tiltawhirl, DaphneBlack, USCDiver, allwalker, Tom Scud, Coca-Cola (Nanook)
AllWalker(11): Tom Scud, CatInSuit, Normalphase, Jimmy, Boozahol, AllWalker, TF, coldphoneix, Gryff, OaOW, Oredigger77
The voting for leader ends Friday at 12:22 PM Eastern
Well, you’re in the best position to work out the precise implications of your role, OAOW, but in general I’d say that if you’re thinking about claiming there are two issues:
- Will sharing details of your role make it easier or harder for you to use it effectively? Doctors, for example, don’t get any strategic benefit from being outed, because there’s no way for town to help them choose who to protect. On the other hand, some investigative roles (e.g. Lie Detector) can actually benefit from publicly acknowledging their role.
- Will sharing details of your role affect your chances of survival? You’ve already been outed as some kind of non-vanilla - will more details make you appear more or less dangerous to scum? Assuming we have a doctor, and assuming they think you’re town, they’re already aware you’re a potential scum target. Will more details increase the chances they’ll protect you?
As I say, none of us can answer those questions, but that’s what I think you have to consider: what makes you more effective, and what makes you safer.
At this point in the game, I don’t think voting in a scum is all that bad. Clearly any scum will want to act just as town does this early. Really, until endgame, the leader is a high-visibility, low power role (low power because although they have the ability to break ties, ties are also easy enough to avoid and we know who broke it). Having a scum have to be so high-profile is not necessarily a bad thing.
The scum know that OAOW is a non-vanilla, but not that he has a power role, per se. Some roles (such as Miller, or potentially town Roleblocker) weaken rather than empower, and all we know about OAOW are the drawbacks and not the pluses. It could be that there are positives that it’s important the scum NOT know about as of yet.
OAOW, I’m not sure what we can give input on. We have no idea of what information you’re holding. I think amrussel has it basically right.
Part-claims give me hives. But that said, I personally have no problem with a part-claim in this case, whether by means of you revealing some part but not all of what you have; or whether by means of you revealing nothing further at all. You didn’t put yourself into this position, which is where it starts to look suspicious for me.
We’ve still got a lot of players, too–we definitely have time before we need a role claim. This is a pretty lengthy games so I think the claims can wait.
My feeling would be don’t claim if you’re hesitant. You’ve answered the question - what’s up with you being ineligible? We know now that you weren’t made ineligible, you were created ineligible. That should satisfy us at this point, I believe.
What a stupid way to say that. I meant we know now that no other player’s action made you ineligible; rather, it is a function of your role.