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I’m a little suspicious of Normal Phase right now. He brought up the PFK Jester idea, which struck me as possible scum blowing smoke. He also hasn’t explained this, which Jimmy brought up in #164:
Normal Phase did respond at 171, indicating that he or she was talking about this in post 150 from Boozahol:
Which is an answer, and I was comfortable to leave it at that for the moment.
Bleached.
I disagree with the reasoning here, because there were so many posts telling One and Only not to claim. At least some of those posts were by town members. I don’t think it’s fair to go after One and Only on the grounds of a soft claim when the claim was made by the moderator, and when One and Only solicited the rest of our opinions about how to handle the situation.
Why not just tell him to claim if you want him to claim?
Apologies Normal Phase, I missed post #171.
Alka Seltzer (1): Boozy Squid
jpei (3): Normal Phase, OaOW, Fruedian
Tom Scud(1): peeker
One and Only(1): Chronos
Because I wanted to be emphatic about it, and because I believe soft-claiming is significantly anti-Town, even if others apparently disagree here. If Wanderers finishes his claim and it’s plausible or confirmable, I’ll move my vote.
bzzzzttt. wrong.
obviously subtlety is lost. the whole point of my first post is that someone who is third party would like to intimate that there are no third parties. and who would know for a fact about the presence of third parties. well a third party of course.
you then follow it up with a have it both ways type of post which strongly leans to knowledge regarding the presence of third parties. so you either know something (which in and of itself is just that) or you want to be able to say opposites and dance (which is troubling).
Chronos, I appreciate your desire to take a strong stance against soft-claiming. Would you feel the same way if you had seen the OaOW had been ineligible in the first post of the day, ie opening colour?
As for jpei, I’m not happy with his choice not to vote, but not ready to vote to lynch him yet. I think if his problem is caution, that’s understandable, but I think town in these games has lately been playing too cautiously.
And getting too bogged down about the set-up. On day one of a closed game I find a lot of the speculation (such as about a miller, or about the third-party situation) seems like it is very useful but could also be a great way for scum to participate with a way to have an out ie that they were just speculating. Very wishy-washy of me, I know…
Obviously this case is a little different, in that Wanderers didn’t have any choice in us finding out that there’s something special about him. But he did have a choice whether to tell us what that something was. That’s what I’m holding him accountable for.
The thing is, on the first Day, everyone, Scum and Town alike, are trying to find a topic of conversation to get things started, and speculating about the possible roles is as good a topic as any. We need discussion to have any hope of finding Scum, and the game starts without much that can be discussed. What else is there?
But role claiming right away is also a dangerous thing. I think One and Only did the best he could–he was sort of kind of outed but didn’t want to go into details. I think he did the smart thing. Do you want him to role claim? That might make him a sitting duck for scum.
I agree that what One and Only has done shouldn’t really be considered a soft claim. It is not out of the question that his role could be more useful to Town if its details are not fully publicized.
First, to business:
Based on what everyone has said so far, I will cast my vote and thus begin the 24 hour countdown Thursday 1st Oct, 10 am EST for a Day end Friday 2nd. That seems to suit most, though not all people.
Chronos, I really have to disagree with your vote. OaOW was forced into soft claiming by the colour, and then didn’t fully claim because the Town advised him not to. Assuming he is telling the truth, his only options were ignore the questions, soft claim, or lie. I know which of those is the least anti-Town.
peeker, every game someone points out the balance rule - assuming no 3rd parties, Scum are usually about 1/4 of the players. This balance assumes no 3rd parties and minimal power roles on both sides, which is how I interpret the “all things being equal” line. It’s the sort of thing that shows up every Mafia game - why is it worthy of a vote?
Was OaOW forced into claiming, though? I mean, we knew he couldn’t be leader, but we didn’t know why until he told us it was role-based and not power-based. In fact, up until the soft-claim, I was assuming he had been blocked by someone else. Now, maybe it was a good idea to clear up that misconception, or maybe it was a bit of early panic on OaOW’s part, or maybe OaOW is scum who is spreading discord and confusion.
Perhaps it was a mistake on our part to direct questions to OaOW and not the mods, but we really don’t know if soft-claiming was something that OaOW truly needed to do at the moment that he did it. I don’t think he was drawing suspicion, and while some of us may have misconstrued what was going on, I’m not sure if clearing that up was something that needed to happen right then. I agree with you that he needed to claim eventually, but it did seem a bit premature.
Don’t fprget though, I will also be ineligible tomorrow, and the say after etc etc. It made more sense to me to admit this now.
I disagree; I see what he did as the very opposite of spreading discord and confusion. We were in the process of going down a bunch of blind alleys with regards to what happened, and he put a stop to it. I see that as a good thing. I’m not against speculation, but when it’s based on a false premise, it only amounts to so much noise.
Exactly. Town was confused, but we would have found out toMorrow when the same thing happened. Soft claiming helped clear it up.
This is a perfect example of something that is usually antiTown being okay in certain cases. Knowing there isn’t a power that can block candidates is useful.
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Chronos, I really have to disagree with your vote. OaOW was forced into soft claiming by the colour, and then didn’t fully claim because the Town advised him not to. Assuming he is telling the truth, his only options were ignore the questions, soft claim, or lie. I know which of those is the least anti-Town.QUOTE]
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agreed. it might have been better if he would have just left it without the dangling participle of there being more but, meh, semantics.
and now that he has said that this stays with him for the duration we can see what the future brings.
regarding my vote. i believe that there was an inherrant inconsistency in his post. it got worse on his follow up.
now i guess this could mean a couple of things. one, he messed up or mis spoke. his response has led me to believe that it wasn’t a typo and was intentional. second he wants to say something without meaning anything. there could be others, i guess, but those pop up first and neither is pro town.
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agree, agree and strogly disagree.
he didn’t have a choice.
he does have a choice to elaborate or not.
choosing not to do so and getting voted infers that his decision is anti town or wrong, in your opinion. since i have no fracking clue what he may or may not be able to do i have no way in determining, at this time, whether that was the right decision or not. magic bags are universally frowned upon but when the mod basically drops it in your lap, what you gonna do? i mean, because of the odd voting mechanism in this game maybe his role has something to do with vote manipulation or maybe he’s a one shot or crap, he could be in charge of passing out the evening meds or tending bar for all we know.
so while i agree with your observations i don’t arrive at the same conclusion.
and a quick question from an old guy.
how do you do multiple quotes on this board? it took me about a year and half to figure it out on idle’s board but i have no clue here.
Next to the quote button is a "+ button. Click the relevant posts then click Post Reply - it brings up all the requested posts.
test
ok, thanks.