There still aren’t enough votes down, and Scuba Ben and Boozahol seem to have disappeared, so I won’t be placing my leader vote until tomorrow. I’ll vote at about 6:00-8:00PM BST (British Summer (hah) Time), which is about 1:00-3:00PM EST.
I didn’t think you were as bad as you think you were in the Gasterd game, at all. And it’s kinda tough to judge a Gastard Mod game in the same light as a regular game, anyway. But from what I’ve seen of you, I don’t think that you’re one to make a slip like the previous. It’s one thing to discuss potential roles, or go on the offensive too much (which is essentially what I’m guilty of in this game) it’s another thing to do what you did here.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. Would like to know what you’re thinking of the Day’s events so far, though.
I’m also a bit surprised that Boozy hasn’t really gotten much heat other than a few comments about the totally inconvenient Day-end time, which really ended up screwing Town quite robustly. I know that he’s semi-confirmed and all, but what’s been confirmed is is role, not necessarily his alignment. And what he did happened to be the single most anti-Town thing so far in this thread.
Good idea, I’m going to sleep on it tonight and hope for inspiration.
n.b.: I’m catching up and answering and addressing posts in order. This may lead to some confusing or contradictory statements, but I’m trying to keep an open mind here with respect to
I don’t know how I failed to keep the town informed of my intentions. I set a time, I responded to a request to extend it, and then didn’t do so after there wasn’t any more call to do so, and then I started the lynch the night I said I was going to. While it may have put Dusk at an inconvenient time for some, it wasn’t like there was some vast swing in the vote totals after most people had gone to sleep or anything.
Right now, I’m not liking (as I haven’t for quite some time now… I suppose this is getting on snuggling territory) the Drain Bead scum case. I’m feeling a scummy sort of vibe on Tom Scud, particularly for his WoW that he seems to trust so much that he’s outed another player with it. I could see him and NormalPhase as scum partners. I don’t like Chronos’ vote analysis machine, and I suppose, on consideration, I do tend to agree with some of the arguments made against him, but I really don’t like the case made that he’s acting like an SK (was that NormalPhase who drew that one up?)
She’s done the same in past games, as well, as both Scum and Town.
Well there goes the snuggling idea…
blows kisses 
Quoth Boozahol:
I think folks were expecting you to vote that day, though, not that night. And the problem was exactly that there wasn’t a vast swing in the votes, when there arguably should have been, after Thing Fish’s full claim.
Yeah, it had been pretty well established in previous discussion that the day should end in mid-afternoon Eastern Time–early enough for the Brits, late enough for the West-Coasters. To go against something that everyone agreed on was both literally anti-Town and had disastrous anti-Town results in practice. We need as many people as possible to be present at Day-end.
Vote Count:
Gryff (1)
Chronos(6): Oredigger, USCDiver, Tiltawhirl, Gryff, DaphneBlack, DB
Tom Scud (1) : Chronos
Drain Bead(2) : Tom Scud, Normalphase
I’ve thought about it overnight
Brief case against Chronos
Policy vote on Day 1 is a null tell
Going constantly after soft roleclaims although not consistently looks really bad
Big picture thinking, but no real analysis. Unusual to say the least
Action at the end of Day 2 with the role claims and lack of tactical voting. Hmm.
I think its the lack of analysis and the soft claim pursuit which is telling.
Brief case against Drain Bead.
The Lie Detector obfuscation, is anti-town
Initial trial by vig suggestion looks bad
Being touchy for people voting for her + mis-characterisation later on - well who isn’t but mischaracterisation is bad.
Actions at End of Day 2 - not sure on this one
Twice asking to be lynched - anti-town
I’m not really seeing the issue with Drain Bead’s voting at the end of Day 2 seeing as Freudian Slit’s votes went down afterwards and she was voting for the person she thought was scummiest. I’m really not sure what to make of her play, because it is more anti-town than anything, which doesn’t necessarily mean scum I guess.
vote Chronos
Right now I would be OK with lynching DB or Chronos. I think that the Chronos lynch gives us more information. I am going to throw my hat in the ring with a
vote Chronos
but I want to finish my read through / analysis at some point, and this vote may change.
I realise I’m stating the obvious here, sorry.
Chronos has 8 votes on him now, which should be enough for a lynch if that’s what the majority want.
2 players moved their vote from him to Drain (Tom, after a moment of giddiness, and Normal, in response to Tom’s “discovery”) but both have expressed strong feelings against Chronos.
Apart from the leader, 4 have yet to vote:
- the missing Scuba whose last post was a leader vote 5 days ago
- the recently returned Boozy who tends to agree with the arguments against Chronos except the SK part
- less active than usual AllWalker who already expressed motives for voting Chronos but wanted to do further analysis
- me
Of course, Chronos hasn’t voted for himself - yet, the politician hasn’t got to him.
So we’re looking at a pretty much unanimous agreement that Chronos should be lynched so either:
a. he’s a mere goon and scum are happy to be rid of him
b. he’s town and scum are happy we’re doing their job for him and have joined in for the fun
c. he’s 3rd party and so we’re all doing the best thing possible by removing him
I have no idea if an investigator-less scum team would be happy to let a goon be lynched so easily but my guess is either b or c.
@ Boozy Why do you think it’s so unlikely that Chronos is the SK?
What other 3rd party could he be?
@ Chronos Wanna claim?
As I don’t feel strongly either way about Chronos and can’t judge a change in his style of play, I’m going vote as I did on Day 1…
Vote Scuba_Ben
I thought ColdPhoenix was a lurking scum who wanted to expose the “real” doc in response to Peeker’s claim.
I’ve checked with the Mods and know that Scuba got the exact same role PM as Cold, just as I got Nanook’s. So I’m going to follow-up on that reasoning. One battle at a time.
Why me in particular? My position should be a lot clearer than several players out there.
Which WoW are you referring to here? (Tom hasn’t so much contructed a wall as a small town).
Yes, Normal Phase made the case for Chronos as an SK. The reasoning is sound, but seems too much of a stretch to me. Seems a bit unlikely that Chronos would be that transparent. Attacking players based on how much of a threat they pose would be a secondary goal for an SK, their priority is to avoid being lynched.
Hmm. I have very mixed feelings about the case on Drain Bead. However, if she has a history of pulling the anti-town ‘lynch me’ gambit as scum that’s a good reason to lynch her all by itself.
@Chronos, Drain Bead - Do you think FS’ begin chicken fencing is a net benefit or loss to town, compared to a lynch?
@Guiri - Out of Chronos and Drain Bead, which would be your preferred lynch?
I’m guessing you’re referring to the mods making FS essentially untouchable. I also combine this with what Daphne said, which I believe to be true, that FS has some sort of power.
There are a few data points I can use to potentially analyze this. First off, there was one fewer kill last Night than there was on Night One. Could this have to do with the power role FS’s absence? It’s certainly possible. There are, of course, other possibilities (tex trying to recruit a Scum, a different non-remorseful vig choosing to make a kill on Night One but not Night Two, and I’m sure other random things that I am not thinking of), but the idea that FS is either a Vig or SK is not too far out there. Metagamey, but I think if FS were a SK, the mods would not have put her in a box where we couldn’t lynch her, so if I’m right about this, I’m pretty sure FS would be a Vig, and therefore not lynching her would be a net benefit. But this involves way too many assumptions and is probably not actually what’s going on.
In the end, and this is metagamey as well, but I doubt FS is scum–the reason being that the lynch is our main tool in getting rid of scum, and I doubt the mods would take that away from us just because FS is absent. So all in all, I think not lynching FS is good for us.
The comments about my SK case on Chronos brought something to mind: for those who are voting or have voted Chronos because you think he’s Scum – I’m thinking Tom here for one, though I know he’s addressed this before, just can’t remember what he said – how do you account for the Lie Detector thing he brought up? I can’t, not easily anyway, which is why his behavior has always read as 3rd party to me rather than Scum.
If he turns up Town, or with a verifiable Town claim, some clarification on that point might prove useful.
/snipped
I like what you’re doing, it’s good to question and try to get all players involved.
I don’t find the arguments against Chronos sufficiently convincing, and, after my poor play with Thing Fish I need something more to go on that “not being analytical as usual (I’ve never played with him before)”, “posting a program which makes noise (which he did even when he was Town)” and “not voting strategically (when his argument is that he was, just for the scummier of the two choices)” Is he scum? No idea. With the enormous opposition he’s getting, I’m thinking he’s possibly town or 3rd party but I can see why a SK wouldn’t have exposed himself so much. Maybe another 3rd party whose goal is to be lynched? A bit silly and if that were true, why wait till Day 3?
As for DB, I’ve no idea what her alignment is and I don’t understand her style of play. If she’s
Town, she’s paving the way for a scum win by possibly removing two more Townies on the same day (herself by modkill and Chronos by lynch) and if you guys play along with her “only confirmed townies can vote for me”, her eventual death will give us no info to work on to find scum. If she’s scum, she’s not getting much defense from her team and I’ll be happy to see her modkilled.
So, to answer your question, if there were just the 3 of us left in the game, I’d lynch Chronos and let DB lynch herself, leaving me to win :). As it is, I’m waiting for Chronos to claim and have put my vote elsewhere for the moment.