So you’re saying that if I’d simply said “for someone we now know was Town,” you’d have no problem with my vote?
What’s the difference between what I said and what you “can understand” that makes it more likely for me to be Scum?
This reads like a half assed last minute post to me, no offense.
special ed admits that the vote on peeker isn’t perfect, and I felt the same way–however, we both felt he was as anti town in his behavior as you can get, even if he didn’t end up flipping town.
And he didn’t say anything about knowing Scuba is town. Maybe you’re parsing it that way but I don’t see it. Granted, he’s dead and he’s town–but I’m not jumping on you for going after a townie. I’m saying it’s weird that you did that at the last minute, as if you had to vote else garner suspicion. But you have poor reasoning for picking ed.
vote rysto
A half-assed vote on Day One? Now that’s totally unheard of! We only have perfectly backed up, comprehensive Day One cases around here. Seriously, what do you expect?
Yeah? Well, anti-Town isn’t the same as pro-Scum. That’s exactly what I said yesterday, and that’s why I didn’t vote for peeker.
Good lord, could you be any more obviously skimming? He admitted to making that assumption!
Frankly, I think you’re overthinking the decision. I’ve played scum in enough games – you have a pretty limited amount of time and you’re on the first Night, so you make your arguments and you pick a candidate relatively fast. Usually it comes down to “let’s peg someone who’s strong and who doesn’t have a good chance of being suspected in the foreseeable future”.
Ed was a good candidate because he substantively contributed a lot of analysis, the bulk of which I’d consider good (or at least well-thought-out, and well-defended) advice. The spawn vote may not have been a consideration at all in offing him at all; frankly I think it works to scum’s benefit to continue the whole spawn debate until there really is a reason to double-vote players, despite the reasonably strong consensus, due to just adding to the level of noise.
vote spawn
Other people made cases. special ed and I did, for one. Even though it’s day one, you can still try to back up your case with evidence.
True, but even though both of those guys came up Town, peeker was coming off as way scummier. Anti town isn’t always scummy but if you have to vote for someone, why vote for the person who’s going to make life difficult, versus the person who’s engaging in thought provoking dialog? special ed
was a valued member of our team and I think voting for him is pretty anti-town.
He said:
Emphasis mine.
He said that under the assumption that Scuba is town, then we should look at peeker as though scum were manipulating. “There is that assumption.” But he points out that that assumption isn’t a right one and he withdraws it.
Er, for “emphasis mine,” I meant to emphasize “I should stop that.”
Yes, and I disagreed on all counts with your case. It wasn’t at all compelling to me.
Well, I disagreed. Are you seriously voting for me for disagreeing on this?
You really didn’t understand my point at all, did you? The problem I had was that ed made a completely baseless assumption at the start. In my experience, that usually happens because the player has secret knowledge to back up the assumption. When a player assumes that another is Town, especially on Day One, the most likely reason for that assumption is that player is scum and knows that other player is Town.
The fact that he withdrew the assumption after being called on it was irrelevant to my case.
I understand your points, Rysto. And I’m not voting for you just for disagreeing. I’m saying that I find your reasoning for voting for special ed very lacking, and because you didn’t really vote or talk all that much, it came across as you feeling you’d come under fire for NOT voting at all. So you chose someone, and it was for a really bad (IMO) reason. My vote on you stands for now.
Um…or they’re playing the odds maybe?
No. Your reasoning is wrong, whether you mention his power role or not. It seems like an attempt to give your vote some extra weight when it has none (Freudian Slit post shows how a better vote for him could be phrased).
Additionally it’s a dangerous way to rationalize votes for future seasons: Look at [PLAYER]! He voted for town! Let’s lyse him!
Didn’t address your last point.
It smells like a subtle smear (if you’ll pardon the mixed metaphor). You’re voting for him whilst subtly accusing him of knowledge he couldn’t have had. And that seems scummy to me.
And I found your reasons for voting for peeker very lacking. Such is mafia.
Is the implication here that I got all the way to the end of the Day before realizing, “Oh my God, if I don’t vote it will look really scummy!” I kinda hope you’d give me a little more credit than that.
I’m not seeing the Rysto case.
The idea that a scummy Rysto would vote for Special Ed for a spurious reason then nightkill him doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. I don’t discount the possibility, but it just seems ‘off’ to me. I’m not saying that Rysto is Town, but that the circumstances of his vote don’t really point in either direction.
Furthermore, the notion that Rysto intentionally voted for Special Ed because he was a Town Power Role is ridiculous.
Finally, as far as cases go, Rysto’s case was not all that unusual as far as I have seen. As someone who has been on the receiving end of PIS accusations when it was simply a matter of sloppiness I was willing to accept Special Ed’s responses for the time being. However, Rysto’s pursuit is entirely consistent with general PIS play.
Maybe it’s just that when I’ve seen townies accused of PIS, it’s often done by a Scum trying to take advantage of something that can be construed as a “slip” by others. See my suspicion of…shit, who was it…amrussell? In Colorless? Scum will try to latch onto stuff like that, because it is a lot easier than actually making a real case against someone.
Hm. That’s entirely possible. I can’t remember if those jumping on my slip were Town or Scum. Maybe I should look it up. (I can’t even remember which game it was though).
My vote remains on Kelly because it is the strongest case to me right now. I will try to post thoughts on the other cases being made later, but I think this information is relevant and should be noted.
From toDay:
I snipped the front and end of the quote.
From yesterDay:
But you said it was to watch him sweat, right? Was that meaning to draw a scum slip from him? I did not get that from what you said(quoted below, though snipped for length):
Then, you later clarified, so to speak:
I closed a gap or two there for space, but I do not see you trying to get a scum slip out of it. I think you are fabricating a cause now to try to cover for yourself.
Now, if you did mention your scum slip hunt-plan later, please show me the link. I am more than aware that I miss things, so fill me in.
What is PIS?
I think it’s something like “prior information slip”, like when someone reveals they know something from their role.
Perfect Information Syndrome, actually.
“Perfect Information Syndrome”–the kind of slip where you casually assert as fact something that you could not possibly have known as a vanilla town.
Can be a signal someone is scum or town power role.