Scum mafia: On Cecil pond [Game Over]

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Haven’t had a chance to review yesterDay’s play yet. Ed left a lot to look at, but we can ignore anything he said about peeker.

Agree we need to understand the setup, but we need to be careful not to give the scum any hints that will help them fish. “Communal” implies more than one, so Ed was very likely to be a mason.

Only one kill last night, so we probably don’t have an SK, although we can’t rule out the possibility of a double-target, block or protect.

Have a good one. I look forward to reading drunken posts typed with your nose.

It looked wrong to me, but I can’t remember how to calculate cumalative percentages. Anyway, it was misleading because Ed was calculating how far we are into the game by how many days had passsed, not by how close we were to lylo.

@Mahaloth - Agree Kelly merits some attention. Is this simply a policy vote, or do you have any concrete reasons to suspect her? If the latter, what are they?

Maybe you you can form a gender-confusion masonry with Zeriel. Do we have a 3rd member?

@Kelly - What information were you hoping to gain by voting Scuba_Ben, and how would you have gone about analysing it?

@Drain - What are your thoughts on Fluid after the peeker flip?

Vote spawn

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Should have previewed. Ignore my question please Mahaloth.

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The issue here is that it looks like you’re almost but not quite making a PIS accusation against Rysto by bringing up Special Ed’s presumed power role status in particular in addition to his towniness in general, when the only way one could know anything that detailed about Special Ed is if they have the rather unlikely power of day investigator.

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IT would figure, the people I play Mafia with would know the reference for " Meeko ". But trust me, I have had times correcting people.

I feel as if I haven’t been as productive as late. Blame it all on a little game called Geometry Wars Retro Evolved 2. [My God, if the Demo would have just let me play all 6 modes, I would have paid 6 times the price.] I remain amazed at how many different games it packs, and each one feels different than the next.

I digress.

Zeriel is looking at Kelly, and Mahaloth and a few others are looking at him as well.
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I wonder if Kelly isn’t also fishing / snuggling via “”“noob”"" .**
In short,Z got me thinking about voting Kelly, and Mahaloth brought up a few points as well.

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Vote KellyCriterion**

The entire mix he is offering , indeed the Juxtoposition that Z brings up, has me wondering as well.

I had the post on screen, but I can’t find it now.

Natlaw, can you comment on Kelly’s experience?

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Vote total:
Spawn 10
KellyCriterion 3
Drain Bead 2
Rysto 2

[del]1: special ed[/del]
2: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies – Spawn (727)
3: Drain Bead – Spawn (737), Rysto (785)
4: Oredigger77 – Spawn (717)
5: storyteller0910
6: Meeko – Spawn (715), KellyCriterion
7: Mahaloth – Spawn (721), KellyCriterion (778)
8: Freudian Slit – Spawn (718), Rysto (802)
9: USCDiver – Spawn (749)
10: Alka Seltzer – Spawn (821)
[del]11: peekercpa[/del]
12: Natlaw
13: Zeriel – Drain Bead (796), KellyCriterion (796)
14: DiggitCamara – Drain Bead (795)
15: amrussell
16: KellyCriterion – Spawn (740)
17: Scuba_Ben
18: sachertorte
19: fluiddruid – Spawn (804)
20: TexCat – Spawn (722)
21: Rysto

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I admit that I’m leery of the Kelly cases at the moment. I don’t think there is enough evidence to warrant blowing through the benefit of the doubt that new players are likely to make some weakly justified votes and have questions about how to play the game.

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I hadn’t seen Meeko’s post above when I made mine, but my leeriness is underscored.

I’m also wondering, Meeko, how Natlaw’s opinion on Kelly’s experience is at all relevant. Do you know that Natlaw is motivated to be honest in answering such a question?

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Let’s not forget Ed’s role as communal organism. If it is indeed a mason, other masons would have some of this info.

Can masons usually only talk at night? Since we did not have a night/winter 0, I am thinking they didn’t get to talk until last winter, but did know the other masons?

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TexCat, I’m not following what you are trying to say with your post and the quotes it references.

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Alka – I’m still suspicious of fluiddruid, but I figured I’d get a vote out there for Rysto so I could get those suspicions on record too. I agreed with the idea that there was probably a Scum somewhere in the one-off voters, and it seemed like ed was a strong Town player that we now know was playing from a position of strength within the Town. It seemed odd to me that there was a late one-off vote for him, and even more odd following the death reveal. But yeah, fluid had a weak, bandwagony vote, and in a close race between the two lynch leaders, that should probably be examined.

What I really find odd is the fact that NONE of the attention that got Scuba Ben to within one vote of being lynched has transferred to toDay.

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If Rysto were a one-off voting Pondie, the scum could have decided to off the target of the vote in order to draw attention to Rysto. I also fail to see how your sense of oddity would increase after the flip.

I also beg to differ that no attention has been paid to Scuba today. I’ve defended my vote on him yesterday and continued to categorize his play as anti-town, as have other people. Not all attention comes in vote form, and I didn’t put my vote back on him out of the gate because there is new data to analyze and none of that new data is coming from him because he still hasn’t shown up to participate.

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The post I was trying to find, was one of Natlaw’s and his(?) comment was on Kelly’s experience. I am asking him to restate what that comment was. IIRC, it was to the effect of any experience is better than none, even if it is from live games.

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NETA : It would be nice to bring up how much experience Kelly has. I think a few votes rest on it.

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I was just trying to say that Ed did have more information than most of us. If he was, in fact, a mason, he could identify his fellow masons and know that they were town. So, it could be that he knew that Scuba Ben is town, or maybe he was just playing the odds.

On the subject of Scuba Ben, a lot of people wanted to give him the chance to answer questions. If he doesn’t show up toDay to answer them, he’ll be mod killed/replaced, and so I have just put the issue on hold until he shows up.

I am not feeling the Rysto lyse. I agree with Sache that the one off vote followed by the night kill does not seem like something scum would do. Of course, that doesn’t entirely exclude it, but it doesn’t feel scummy to me.

I am not so sure about Kelly, but again, it doesn’t feel scummy to me. It feels more like a townie searching for a place for a day one vote without much to back it up.

As I understand the case against Drain Bead, it’s that she voted for Rysto because he voted for Ed. Seems a little shaky.

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I don’t know if there’s “a” case against Drain Bead.

In my case, I voted for her because she gave extra weight to Rysto’s vote against Ed because her entire reasoning was:

which is no reason at all. She votes against him for voting for somone whose alignment no one knew, and could most probably not know.

That’s a very different reason than “she voted for Rysto because he voted for Ed”.

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Sorry, I stand corrected.

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I voted for 3 different players yesterday. If you count the spawn, I placed 4 votes. Obviously, unvoting Peeker was the correct play Hindsight and all of that, sure.

That to say this, should I be that eager to put my vote back on Scuba?

The issue was brought forth if Scuba was, or was not snuggling me. The issue was also brought forth that I have no clue at all, prior to this , that snuggling existed, and prior to this, my posting style had it’s own directory of tells built in.

Scuba could have been using light banter. I can be completely off on my read on Scuba. I Unvoted Peeker, which was right. Is not voting Scuba correct now, as well?

Or do I look elsewhere? Do I look at Storyteller [who has pinged me on the amount of double player votes / double player lyse discussion he has generated.] and company there?

Do I look elsewhere still?

I don’t know about Kelly. I recalled the post that Zeriel made, and it stuck with me in the background. Checking back in the pre-game, I know that I would have asked more questions, I would have been more vocal with my noobishness. To say nothing about the fact that he [Kelly] was one of the later players to confirm / start playing.

There is just a question mark here for me. If I need to unvote for today, I would rather it be on a Noob, than unvoting a scum.

Even if I was not allowed to have an unvote, I believe this situation would still be a Monty Hall Problem.

Three doors, goats behind two, car behind one. Regardless of what door you pick, one unpicked door will have a goat. Monty Hall shows you that door, and reveals a goat.

If you could chane the door you picked at this point, to the other unrevealed door, your odds of getting the car go from 33% to 50%.*

I’m trying to find a goat here at this point.

baaaaa.

[How did Peekerese get into my post?]

  • I hope I got this right. I’m sure our Pond’s namesake has taken the issue up before.
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Yes, that is what I meant. Cast a vote at Scuba_Ben, then watch him sweat. See if he does anything scum-worthy with the extra pressure that’s on him.

What’s the implication here?

Do people think I voted with the intent of “I love watching people think they might get voted out! Not to try and uncover scum, but because I’m a masochist baby!!”…?

I am not sure why people keep insisting I made an “unjustified” or “unexplained” vote. I think every vote made against peeker yesterDay was unjustified, and I ahh… stated it at the time:

Given that peeker got lynched, that means I ahh… turned out to be right.

After fully admitting that no stated case looked strong, I figured the best thing to do was make it a close lynch vote, which would up the pressure particulary on Scuba, possibly causing a slip. If you remember, peeker had hoisted the white flag and said he was considering leaving the game. That’s how disinterested he’d become.

If you think a reckless, careless vote at some random player based on flimsy, farcical evidence would have made me look more “pro-Town” on Day 1, then all the power to you and heaven help the rest of us that are making genuine efforts to root out the scum. Similarly, if you cast your lynch votes at the players whose methods you don’t agree with rather than at those players you suspect to be scum, then I hope for town’s sake that you are a scum.

yesterDay you voted for peeker because he made what you deemed to be a “baseless vote” (which started the avalanche of a townie lynch), and toDay you once again make a vote based on disagreement with someone’s methods.

If you want to discuss the best way to root out the scum, Mahaloth, I’ll happily start another thread in The Game Room and we can discuss it to our hearts’ content.

But in this thread, for appearing to be driven to vote based more on whose playing style you most disagree with instead of who you suspect of being scum (which would be a lot more helpful to the town), I:

vote Mahaloth

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From above:

should be…

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I asked if he had played but ["]it wasn’t really answered]([URL="http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12066454#post12066454). I haven’t played or seen him (the nick name that is) play Mafia here or elsewhere. I guess I should link that mafia roles flash when I get home since he’s asking what’s a mason etc.

My vote Yesterday for Scuba_Ben was for snuggling with Storyteller not with you Meeko. I thought he was just (trying to) make some jokes about your changing in posting style (aka fluff and thus not really game related).