In other news, I wonder how many Scum this game started with.
I mean, Ok, we know we get a Spawn each turn. We can also lynch it, and a player, so if everything goes right, the spawn is not a problem. But, Chronos doesnt know what we are going to do.Does the random vote balance back out? Or is the Scum at start a non easily determined number?
There is almost a sense of schizophrenia to Kelly’s posts. When not attached to a blatant n00b question, his posts do not come across like that of a n00b.
I’d still kinda like to hear Kelly’s retort to those of us who attempted to point out that a weak/null tell (voting for townies, even alleged ones as Kelly has indicated he is, and especially early in the game) added to a strategy which that is commonly billed as pro-town (vote early and often) does not equal a very compelling case against Mahaloth.
His recent snark-fest against Alka reads like a difference in play-style on the surface, but from a motivational standpoint encouraging people to get more aggressive and to “stick the sword in a little harder” could also be seen as Scum trying to stir up more town-on-town violence by advocating to stab first and think about whether it is the smart thing to do later.
Ah, good, just what I wanted you to think. Dance, my puppets, dance!
As long as you don’t read this comment, you won’t be doing what I Want you to.
Really? This one was spoiled even.
And what are you guys doing here? This was a conversation between Chronos and I.
This.
But, I can’t unvote.
Hey, I’ve got an idea: Let’s all try really hard to find reasons to lynch the loud and provocative every single Day, for the rest of this game?
I’m not going to change my playing style - constantly lynching the noisy and provocative just hands the scum their game strategy on a platter. If I’m going to go down, I’d rather go down swinging and at least be able to boast a few “I told you so’s” when I flip town. This may be my first game of Mafia (hey! He’s claiming to be a n00b again! LYNCH HIMMMM!!!), but watching the way some players are able to twist damn near anything in to “scummy behaviour” is just bordering on the paranoia.
This is the last time I will be defending my aggressive playing style toDay - I refuse to boringly and uselessly coast through in the background as if I’m playing Survivor instead of Mafia. But if I do get lynched toDay, can the surviving townies, please, pretty please, pretty please with a cherry on top, consider the possibility that the strategy of targeting the loud and provocative, after being 0 from 3, might be worth a rethink?
NETA: Technically, its Dissociative Identity Disorder [Formerly Multiple Personality Disorder]
Schizophrenics have hallucinations and hear voices.
Meeko shouldn’t be the one to comment on being Dissociative in this game, methinks.
[[Come on, I had to do that one in Third Person, it was asking for it.]]
Lets see, Peeker is already gone, I would be next, RoOsh changed his name, and I have yet to meet Seeker of truth and beauty.
But seriously, what would the remaining 80% of the players do after that?
But as said it’s consistent not really a scum tell.Really? I put you in the lead so actually I don’t think (or hope) my vote would be overlooked. Plus besides yourself I also got some votes Today, so I expect those to look critically at what I do as well.
By the way since Winter is closing in fast I’m guess your unstated claim is Plankton (fluiddruid never claimed either while in danger of a lynch). Yes, that is fishing because I wouldn’t want to lynch a claimed power role without enough time to evaluate the claim.
To further explain my Spawn vote: since my primary vote isn’t in a clear lead, I would think it scummy to place my second vote on another player now.
Oh come on. You are deciding not to switch your vote from me to Kelly because you prefer to see me lynched instead of him, right?
Unless you’re claiming your vote is bought/locked somehow? Which you should have earlier then (or suddenly proclaimed a dislike for shoes).
Did you read my response to your case against me? Or just skipped it on the basis of ‘it’s what scum would say no need to read it’?
Also why start wondering about to number of scum now? Summer One there was talk about it, did you miss that or not agree with those estimates? How many do you think there are? Don’t just shoot a questions in the wild without at least reasoning about it a bit yourself.
No early vote for Kelly toDay because while I did not have a definitive decision on who was being the most scummy, Kelly had/has fallen below my top suspicion. I decided to wait a bit today to place my vote, though I still placed it well before the end of the Day.
Uh, yes you can?
[Out of Game]
Sorry for my vanishing for the latter half of Tuesday and all of yesterday. I had intense days at work and auditions both evenings, and probably needed to step back and gain some perspective anyway. So before I proceed:
To Alka Seltzer and sachertorte:
I would normally do this by PM, but I think it would be inappropriate to send even nominally out-of-game messages while still enrolled in the game. I apologize to both of you for my behavior in the last few days. I have allowed my emotions to rule my responses, which is a bad idea and extremely immature. I am to blame for the unpleasant tone associated with most of our exchanges, and regret it very much.
Anyway, I am past it now, and would like to continue the game on a more even keel, if everyone is amenable. I am open to any questions that remain about my role, my opinions on double-lysing, or my play so far.
Unfortunately, I cannot retract my vote for or suspicions about sachertorte as he has done, as they continue to reflect my current thinking. I intend to re-read this morning and either reconfirm this vote or change it as the rest of today rolls along.
No. I think you got my point. I have a regular vote. I can unvote whenever I want.
I was trying to make a point.
Criticizing votes are ok. I just think that in a game that is being played this well, unvotes should not be so harshly judged. You can not tell me that one vote takes on more weight than 4 regular votes, if that vote is moved from the lynch leader to cause a tie.
I have never changed my opinion on lysing Spawn. I wonder if the Spawn and the Double voting are separate. That is to say, would the fact of double voting alone, add for double the number of Scum at start? Would it be possible to have even more Scum?
At the game in general : Then let me.
Kelly : I would like to give you benefit of the doubt.
Natlaw : For all my speculation on Scum numbers, I still think a vote for Spawn needs to be entertained by all players.
Man I disappear for a day and I come back and we’re on the same page. Come on guys we need to get people talking. Well, it’s probably a bit late for toDay but we seriously need to get after it Tomorrow.
Didn’t go anywhere? What are you smoking? I FOSed you, you asked why I replied to you. . .
I am still suspicious of you but I think Sach has been actively trying to hurt the town which is still worse then you. Do I need to FOS you every Day to let you know I’m still watching you?
You are right though that my case against Fluid could have been leveled against several different people one you left off your list is Sach. Hmm, someone acting scummy left off a list by someone else acting scummy. I will review you’re posts over the Night but nothing you have done has reached out and slapped me the way Sach has.
I know a couple of others have asked but I’m going to guess you mean because of the heat you took yesterday for having 5 votes and then ending on a 1 off. You are confusing unvoting with mudding your trail. If you think someone is scummy enough to vote for them but then see someone scummier but for some reason then find the second person to not be as scummy as you originally thought why not go back to number 1 you don’t need to always go forward going back to a case can be a good idea as well just don’t get fixated on one player only.
Did I mention that I hate how well this game is being played?
Did I mention that?
Here is the best way I can put this.
I still believe that on Natlaw being Town, his votes are uneven to that end.
I still believe that on Kelly being Town, his posts are uneven to that end, even if we allow for Noob. - Especially if we look at the posts as if a Noob is writing them. Actions are louder than words, but, I believe at a certain point words can surpass action especially if they cause multiple others to act.
The worst I can do is become uneven in all of this by unvoting Spawn. I need to Unvote, and it wont be on Spawn.
This sucks, but frankly, I would like to see the game at this state. If we can place votes for purely the reaction, I think this vote, followed with how uneven I find Kelly now, and have found him to be in the past would suffice.
I hate that I do not have better reads than this. I hate how this can be considered “lynch the loud” [Coming from Meeko no less]. It would seem in a meta sense, I am the most uneven this game. I have the elements, I have the paradigm and epiphany. Perhaps the next game I can get them in the right order and amount.
Unvote Natlaw
Vote Kelly
Oddly, I had a completely different take on KellyCriterion’s post. I read it as someone who wasn’t afraid to say what they are thinking. Someone not afraid to exacerbate his situation. His post attacks a player who is NOT voting for him (alka seltzer is voting for storyteller). How others can characterize this as ‘defensiveness’ is beyond me. I don’t think scummy KellyCriterion would do this. This is a recipe for getting alka seltzer to switch his vote onto KellyCriterion. My read on KellyCriterion is that of a Townie not afraid to break a few eggs. As scum, it’s a really bad play because if alka seltzer is town, all that he will achieve is to push alka seltzer towards voting for him. Of course, if they are both scum, then KellyCriterion wouldn’t have a problem with it, but at the very least I feel the ‘defensiveness’ charge is bunk.
I believe I have been clear that I support a Mahaloth lynch. Reasons include strangeness about his ‘my vote was sound but others were lame’ statement. Also I agree with amrussell (I think it was amrussell) who observed that his statements reveal too much concern with looking town.
[COLOR=“Blue”]vote Mahaloth
I wanted to do a search for clean nosers, but that’s been sidetracked with actual work.
Can we get a vote count, please?
It is defensiveness, and your attempt to characterize it otherwise is suspicious. He smudged Alka for what looks like an odd phrasing of bandwagoning (but apparently wasn’t?). When Alka responded to the effect of “That’s BS”, here’s why. Kelly then provided analysis of a post which is an analysis of fluid voters and made some insightful comments mixed thoroughly with nonsense and hyperbole in order to defend his previous assertion (that Alka is not aggressive enough? Is that what it was? I guess that’s what it is now).
I can’t read that as any way but over-defensive.
Snarky, maybe. But I’m not sure I would characterize responding to someone else ‘over-defensive.’ I guess I fall into the category where I don’t like it when someone ignores things. I’m much happier that KellyCriterion jumps in and responds to Alka Seltzer. When players fail to respond, we call them on avoidance. When players respond we call them on ‘over-defensiveness.’
And why would my telling you my opinion on the matter be suspicious? Group A wants to lynch KellyCriterion. Group B wants to lynch Mahaloth. I am in group B and I’m telling you why.
Let’s say a person agrees with you, and characterizes it as over-defensive? Do you see this is a Scum tell? Why?
Would you characterize me as “over-defensive” earlier toDay? If so, do I differ substantively from Kelly Criterion in that regard?