Fair enough Drain.
With the above, I’ve tried to look at the votes in context, but that wasn’t always possible with the volume of posts. If I’ve missed supporting posts, please point them out to me.
My vote for fluid was weak, and wrong, and as I said all along it was mostly OMGUS in response to her vote on peeker. I am not blaming story or fluid for my vote. The point I tried to raise about fluid deciding to WoW on story was shadowboxing, but the intent was to try and scrape together supporting evidence that hadn’t already been played. Unfortunately when Town players do that, it is hard to determine if the case was manufactured on purpose or in error.
The reason I have not yet voted based on my circumstantial case against story is because it is circumstantial and because I was wrong about fluiddruid, I could still be wrong about Scuba, and collectively the Pond has been wrong with both lyses so far this game. I am trying not to participate in a mislynch again.
Is it that you needed to see me put storyteller’s name in blue in order to not be tempted perceive my opening post as some sort of reverse-psychology defense of him? Because that is not what that post was, at all.
Looking at the Mahaloth case:
He has a tendency to emphasize he’s town, see his Summer Two vote:
Note that that also involved a bit of skimming - the reasoning was ‘to put pressure on Scuba’. So it’s at least consistent behavior.
For the rest the content of his posts seem relatively save. A scum motivation would be that he picks a weak voter (fluiddruid, Kellyx2) and then coasts along for the Summer.
Mahaloth also argued that her vote Summer One wasn’t a bandwagon one or was starting one. Bit odd reasoning but might just be a definition question.
Attempting to start bandwagon is any of the early votes on a player, while a votes a ‘bandwagon’ votes.
Vote Mahaloth
And this a ‘joining the band wagon’ vote. For picking an easy early votes and contributing not much beside it.
KellyCriterion, can expand on what you think is wrong with Mahaloth’s voting strategy? You didn’t want to discuss it Summer Two but it was part of your reasoning Summer Two. I asked about it and since you’re voting again for the same reasons so more details would be nice.
To get it clear why not voting for the others:
I don’t want a Storyteller lynch Today, the Sachertorte case seems involve a lot of OMGUS - a lack of looking for a motivation might be scummy, but it doesn’t mean his Storyteller votes weren’t without reason.
Meeko’s voting does look suspicious to me, but also seem unlikely to be made by scum (not because as he argued that ‘scum wouldn’t vote Scuba_Ben’, but because I don’t think a scummy would vote that way and then explain it that way). I would still like some more rational why he didn’t revote fluiddruid who he suspected and voted earlier, said nothing that the suspicion was now gone and that he wanted to give Story the benefit of the doubt. Revoting fluid would have made that more sure than leaving them in a tie.
Ah before I forget:
Vote Spawn!
Full is Full! Pond Plankton First! 
I know you haven’t made a claim. But this whole, “If story comes up town, we should look at ____” kind of makes me think you’re distancing yourself from the story bandwagon because you yourself have some reason to know that story is town and you want to sort of “told you so” if he does come up as a townie. When I was playing scum, and I wasn’t on a bandwagon for a townie, I was always profoundly grateful because it made me think that, “Oh, people won’t look at ME when this person comes up town because I was so far away.”
I’m not utterly convinced you’re scum, but your play does so far kind of ring “Newbie trying to look as vanilla as possible but not quite doing it.”
Anyway…we’re getting close to Winter. Can we have a vote count, Chronos?
Sigh. Why do I have the feeling we are losing this game, fellow townies?
**Vote NatLaw **
for joining a bandwagon and stating it as much. I love that early voting is considered a weakness by some.
Can you be more specific? I made a post where I explained why/when I don’t tend to vote early, but I’ve also made a post wherein I dismissed that aspect of Kelly’s “but he votes early for Pondies! A whole 2 of them! And I’m one of them!!” case against you, and suggested that voting early was not going to be considered suspicious activity by many people. Do I make your list?
Vote total:
Spawn 14
Mahaloth 4
Storyteller0910 3
sachertorte 2
Natlaw 2
Meeko 1
DiggitCamara 1
KellyCriterion 1
[del]1: special_ed[/del]
2: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies – Spawn (1139)
3: Drain Bead – Mahaloth (1162), [del]Storyteller[/del] (1210-1220)
4: Oredigger77 – Spawn (1176), sachertorte (1194-1212,1214), [del]Storyteller[/del] (1212-1214)
5: storyteller0910 – sachertorte (1174), Spawn (1174)
6: Meeko – Spawn (1135), Natlaw (1170)
7: Mahaloth – Spawn (1140), Natlaw (1265)
8: Freudian Slit – Spawn (1136), KellyCriterion (1251)
9: USCDiver – Spawn (1161), Meeko (1161)
10: Alka Seltzer – Storyteller (1203), Spawn (1203)
[del]11: peekercpa[/del]
12: Natlaw – Mahaloth (1263), Spawn (1263)
[del]13: Zeriel[/del]
14: DiggitCamara – Storyteller (1186)
15: amrussell – Mahaloth (1172), Spawn (1173)
16: KellyCriterion – Spawn (1145), Mahaloth (1233)
17: Red Skeezix – Spawn (1146), [del]Natlaw[/del] (1222-1250)
18: sachertorte – [del]Storyteller[/del] (1179-1242), Spawn (1179)
[del]19: fluiddruid[/del]
20: TexCat – Spawn (1155), Storyteller (1155)
21: Rysto – Diggit (1226), Spawn (1226)
Not much change since the last count.
My good man. There will be a Freudian Original waiting for you at the start of winter, mark my words!
No - I don’t mind you not voting for story as such. (I said earlier that I think we need a mix of early voters to get things moving, and later voters to weigh up the various cases). And I didn’t interpret your post as a reverse defense. Quite the opposite -what struck me as odd about your post is that you devoted by far the greater part of it to laying out the case against story and very little to explaining the doubts that made you hold back. While in your mind those doubts presumably have enough weight to counter the 6 or 7 point case you laid out against story, anyone reading what you wrote sees a lot of evidence on one side and nothing much on the other. So it could be interpreted as a way of keeping the pressure up on story - and encouraging others to vote for him - while keeping your hands clean.
No, you didn’t make my list. I was referencing NatLaw’s comments.
Guys, I am not sure if I’m getting lysed, but it isn’t looking good. I think we really need to look at the people who are slipping little votes in and hoping not to be noticed. Now, I’ve been quieter toDay due to being really busy, but I try to get my votes out early and clearly. For better or worse, I think I’ve been at least actively stating my reasoning. The reason is has been so hard is that the scum have not, that I’ve seen, made any significant errors.
Look at Kelly and Natlaw’s votes on me. They are really weird.
Kelly just says he has no reason to change the vote for me. He is just sticking with it. Must I remind you it was simply an OMGUS vote originally?
Natlaw’s vote is just slipped in there. I think NatLaw was hoping to not to draw much fire for that vote.
I’m also not buying a lynch of storyteller. I’m just not seeing it. So, make what you will of it, but I don’t think the top vote getters right now are wise strategy moves(except Natlaw, who I just moved into being one of the top vote getters).
I do have to agree with Mahaloth. Kelly’s vote today is weird. Natlaw’s vote looks “safe”, but so “safe” as to be unsafe. Does weird = scummy? No Idea.
@Freudian: You spent alot of time yesterDay, discussing and contributing to the case against story. You voted for him yesterDay, yet you start today with assertions that you didn’t have a clue for today. What happened to yesterDay’s suspicions?
Refer to post #838 for the full line of reasoning, but here’s the juicy bit:
I still don’t get it, Kelly. I have voted for whom I most believe to be scum. Why can’t you just review the comment from everyone and make a better justified vote?
It’s a lazy vote, at best.
My criticism was poorly worded. Let me try again, and I’ll use your post up above where you analysed the fluid votes, aka, worked your PR machine, to show what I mean about you not wanting to get your hands dirty.
In other words, “Hey Rysto, I’m totally cool with the fact you voted town, ok?”
In other words, “I didn’t like Drain’s vote, but DRAIN I THINK YOU’RE TOWN!! I’LL SAY IT AGAIN I THINK YOU’RE TOWNNNNNN!!! DON’T GET UPSET WITH ME OK?!”
In other words “Here is some safe commentary on Meeko’s vote. Note the absence of anything that might upset Meeko”.
I can’t follow your reasoning on this one, but I note you once again favour some commentary over a real, genuine attack.
So, what does Alka Seltzer look like when he’s actually “going hard”? This, apparently:
Man, what a beating! You still right to play, OreDigger?!
Which brings me back to one other thing Alka said:
Your first post toDay did include a “point against a story”, but once again you can’t help yourself, you need to congratulate him in the same post. Story makes a point how bad lots of late votes are, to which you respond by saying:
I have acknowledged you have no shortage of posts, but you are a master at using them to become everyone’s buddy. Unless you have a town role in this game and it’s to be “everyone’s favourite teddy bear” (or some likable pond equivalent, in which case I commend you for your play), then you need to start sticking the sword in a little harder.
Or don’t, but I’m going to keep drawing attention as long as this continues.
Which is useless if you’re appearing to be driven to vote based on other “reasoning”, which was clearly my criticism of you.
Uh, neener, neener, neener? I have no idea what you are trying to get at. Just admit you are voting OMGUS.
Kelly sure seems to be talking a lot for Noob.
Kelly, there’s a damned good reason Alka, and everyone else, thinks I’m town.
Kelly’s last post was super-over-defensive. I’ve been kicking myself since I’d didn’t vote Freudian for the same in Colorless. You might be new to the game, but the combination of OMGUS, over-defensive play, and lack of a meaningful case from you for 3 days running. I may be in the minority with my opinion, but your play reads like an inexperienced attempt to make shit up.
vote KellyCriterion
Dammit. Has “playing like Freudian” become the new “You throw like a girl”? 
But yeah, I’m getting the same read. As for why I’m not hounding storyteller today…mainly I feel like I’m getting a stronger reading on Kelly. I’m not sure I like how story’s playing but I can’t help thinking would he be attracting this much attention to himself if he were scum?
The posting a lot and the defensiveness are, I think, characteristic of scum, esp. noob scum. You don’t want to die if you’re scum because you’re letting your team down and people will get more info from your deaths. Whereas if a townie dies, it’s less of a huge thing, and in some cases, post analyses after death can help, a LOT. A noob scum tends to get kind of upset at the idea of being killed off. You take it a lot more seriously. So yeah I can’t help taking a second glance at someone who really REALLY doesn’t want to die even though they haven’t really taken so many votes yet.