- A heavily redacted role-claim is worth no more than your typing the sentence: “I am a town-aligned player.” in terms of us “knowing” who we’re voting for.
- We can’t discuss the role, because we don’t know what it is. We can discuss the colour, which I agree looks somewhat plausible. Much like “rotifier” did.
- You have to make a choice between giving us reason to believe you’ve got a town-aligned role, and keeping that role secret. It’s impossible to do both. As it is, if you are town, scum now have you pegged as a power-role; meanwhile, speaking for myself, there isn’t enough info in this claim for me to unvote. If you are town and you don’t want to reveal your role, you’ll do better to address the case(s) against you rather than rely on a role claim.
Funny, though. I’m achieving exactly what I wanted:
- We’re discussing the merits of full disclosure (you need it, Meeko apparently is unhappy about my non-full disclosure but thinks it’s enough to unvote me)
- It’s still enough time for others to chime in and voice their opinions on the subject
Another claim? Or is this another non-claim? Ack!
Diggit, have you used your alleged power yet? Do you plan on using this alleged power? Is it a one-time power, or can you use it every year, and in summer or winter?
It being a new page, it’s time for a
Vote count:
Spawn 7
DiggitCamara 2
Rysto 2
sachertorte 2
Natlaw 1
[del]1: special_ed[/del]
[del]2: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies[/del]
3: Drain Bead – Spawn (1740), Rysto (1740)
4: Oredigger77
[del]5: storyteller0910 [/del]
6: Meeko – sachertorte (1752), [del]Diggit[/del] (1752-1797), Spawn (1797)
[del]7: Mahaloth [/del]
[del]8: Freudian Slit[/del]
9: USCDiver – Spawn (1753), Rysto (1756)
[del]10: Alka Seltzer[/del]
[del]11: peekercpa[/del]
12: Natlaw – Spawn (1782)
[del]13: Zeriel[/del]
14: DiggitCamara – [del]Rysto[/del] (1761-1794), Spawn (1761), sachertorte (1794)
15: amrussell – Diggit (1788)
[del]16: KellyCriterion[/del]
[del]17: Red Skeezix[/del]
18: sachertorte
[del]19: fluiddruid[/del]
20: TexCat – Spawn (1760), Natlaw (1783)
21: Rysto – Diggit (1781), Spawn (1781)
It’s something that could/would be used in Winter only and I’ve been using it every Winter.
So another role claim, I’m not sure what to make of it since there is not more information then the role. Diggit was at least in the vote lead when he claimed so there is at least some protowniness there especially since it was early enough that we get to think about it.
On the other hand this seems pretty similar to the previous scum claim and since there is no additional information it seems to be fixing Kelly’s claim of giving conflicting stories. I’m not willing to vote Diggit but I want to hear a full claim. I think the main reason I’m interested in a full claim is that Story thought his power would be worthless once revieled and it ended up preventing a third party win.
Diggit, if you’ve been using your role every night, shouldn’t we have seen evidence of it? or if it’s possibly an investigative role, don’t you think it’s time to reveal what you’ve learned?
I would like to see a full disclosure at this point.
@USCDiver: No, I haven’t seen any results from my power yet.
So far it’s looking like most people want me to claim. If this doesn’t change, I’ll disclose my full PM this evening (it’s 12:50 PM right now, and I guess if nothing changes, I’ll be posting it in about 5 hours)
DiggitCamara,
At this point if you can prove your alignment in some way, you should do it. Even if you wind up dead this Winter, it is worth it, because that would mean that Drain and Meeko would still be alive. At this point I really doubt your power is all that powerful since we haven’t seen any evidence of any power being used other than storyteller’s kill on Red. The entire game has been following a very consistent pattern. A pattern that is not compatible with a strong town power.
(1) If your power is informational, I’m baffled by why you haven’t shared your information with the Town. 5 uses is quite a lot of information to be sitting on.
(2) If your power is influential, we haven’t seen anything of an active power besides what storyteller has done. It could very well be something as simple as Diggit’s power hasn’t “hit,” but if that is the case I’m left wondering why Diggit is being so cagey. Furthermore, that leads me to wonder why this power hasn’t “hit.” Even negative results on an active power offers non-zero information (see 1).
I doubt DiggitCamara’s claim.
So this is where I am. Ironically, if Diggit hadn’t claimed I’d probably be voting for Rysto right now. But as it is, he has claimed, and I’m having a hard time believing it.
NETA: I re-read the claim. All of the above is true, but I have a teeny-tiny hunch about DiggitCamara. Let’s wait and find out. (I’m kind of impatient, but I guess we can wait. I don’t really see the point though).
On second thought. I’m actually kind of thinking that maybe DiggitCamara shouldn’t fully claim.
I guess I should state why I’m thinking that DiggitCamara should not fully claim.
If DiggitCamara is a Town Power, scum know it. What they don’t know is what he can do. If DiggitCamara is Town, then we don’t really need to know what he can do, it is sufficient that DiggitCamara knows. We leave DiggitCamara alive, he uses his power, and possibly gets himself killed. Will scum kill him? I don’t know? They are in an awkward position. Leave an unknown power alive or try and kill him. On one side if they do kill him then Meeko and Drain will stay alive; and it saves us the trouble of lynching him. This is good! On the other if they don’t kill him, DiggitCamara might do something cool during the winter; and we can always kill him tomorrow. It’s kind of awesome actually. I’m fine with letting scum fret about it instead.
If DiggitCamara is scum, we will press him for the full claim Tomorrow, and probably lynch him.
I don’t know. There are risks of course. But Even if DiggitCamara is scum, it is unlikely that he is the only one left.
If scum had a redirector or role blocker then they had no reason not to use it on Storyteller (unless blocked I but I don’t think that likely).
If DiggitCamara’s power was something informational or influential than town would be real powerfully, so I can see it only influential in a bad way (or scum having an I-win-button).
The color sounds like ‘Scotsman’ although Diggit seems to suggest an active power. I don’t see a need to keep that hidden unless not getting confirmed on Night kill. It could be scum Scotsman as well.
- It’s actually a bit pointless discussion until we have a full claim in my opinion, in effect postponing the lynch discussion to wait for your reveal. I don’t see how anyone could change your opinion about whether to full claim or not without having the information only you have.
- I’ve got two hours now and about the same tomorrow before the lynch and can read up a bit from work. Not exactly plenty.
Vote DiggitCamara
For the magic bag and for wanting to achieve useless discussion. Also because there already being four masons and a vigilante (with drawback) for town and with two vanilla scum I don’t see there being room for a (powerful) town role. He could have significant drawback not unlike Story, but a fake claim seems more realistic to me at this point.
I’m going to review the previous case against him.
This is interesting; I’m not sure if I fully agree. First of all, Diggit has said that he has been consistently using his power every Winter. Whatever it is, I think it’s fair to say that it hasn’t had a huge impact on the game so far. So in terms of making scum fret, why should they worry about this Winter when they’ve evidently been dodging whatever bullet Diggit represents without even trying?
Secondly, you say we can always kill him next Summer, but next Summer you could make the same argument. We can’t drift along giving benefit of the doubt - we have to make a decision whether we accept Diggit or not.
Thirdly, and somewhat separately, I also have an inkling about Diggit’s power. And if you’re thinking what I’m thinking, then I agree he shouldn’t disclose it. But if you’re thinking what I’m thinking, then who else is thinking it? We could both/all be wrong of course…
Diggit, do you get any PMs when you use your power?
True, but the pool is getting smaller and smaller. These ‘need to hit’ powers become more powerful with fewer players.
Not really the point. The point is this Winter is the first winter that DiggitCamara has claimed. Scum might be motivated to kill him now, whereas in previous Winters they ignored him. We could make the same argument next summer, but I doubt we would. Did that make sense? I have a feeling it didn’t. It’s a cost/benefit thing. Do scum want to risk DiggitCamara’s power this winter or kill him? If he’s scum then they obviously won’t. If he’s town they will have to weigh the risks and benefits of letting him live.
Yeah, you’re right. I’m sure scum are thinking the same thing. So if Diggit’s power is what I think it is, then the whole weirdness above is moot.
And seriously, if you’re thinking what I’m thinking, then I further think that Diggit shouldn’t have disclosed anything at all. If it is what I think it is, then from a Town perspective, we pretty much have to ignore it, anyway, right? It’s unconfirmable. So I’m left wondering why did Diggit disclose?
Bleah.
vote Rysto
vote Spawn
For not very good reasons, but the best we have so far:
Opportunity to bus KellyCriterion.
The PIS accusation on Special Ed.
Wall of Words on DiggitCamara:
Summer One:
180 Got his PM.
245 Favor dual lynch trading numbers for information.
270 Not in favor of vigilante kill no vote record unless can kill Spawn (Note Freudian Slit, Zeriel and Oredigger responded to this questions as well). The question was asked by Scum Alka Seltzer (I don’t see the scum-on-scum fight amrussell saw in it).
285 Votes Spawn compelled by Meeko: have not to worry about Spawn later is worth less information now.
326 Votes Freudian Slit for voting peeker for being peeker whom she had played with before.
647 Response to sachertorte: cannot get a handle on peeker, so staying clear. Response to Alka Seltzer: recap, but wants to wait with dual player lynch until more sure of number of scum (Alka’s questioning was more accusing here).
681 Quotes rules.
Summer Two:
795 Votes Drainbead for emphasizing special ed was town power.
810 811 Defense of his vote, adds felt drain smeared Rysto for PIS he didn’t have. 835 Again defends it against TexCat.
894 Unvotes after mason claim with ‘See? PIS.’ Mentions that Drainbead vote exposed more masons.
I still think his vote was valid, the last post is confusing (as discussed earlier who was pissing what? etc). The look at all the masons comment is unhelpful, but would scum mention it so openly?
895 Misremembers the Shoes meme.
898 Masons have PIS too (but everyone knew ed was a town special at that point and Diggit didn’t mention that Drainbead defended ed Summer One - only the Summer Two vote).
899 Again re-iterates:
But that ed was a power role was hidden information anymore - he voted her because voting someone who voted a town power was a bad reason (see 835) not because it showed hidden knowledge.
1023 Votes fluiddruid because scum would fire up a sachertorte/storyteller. Gives an example of town sacher/town story and that their fight ending will likely end in a lynch of either one (only Story has a vote on sachertorte here) and a scum fluid wins because either way he supported town. Also his play style seems similar to a game where fluid was scum.
If I apply his agrument to the actual known town on town fight between fluid and story - DiggitCamara is the one here supporting a town power and makes fluid a viable lynch.
1026 Reminds Story of the random vote of Spawn (aka he should full claim in case of tie just to be sure the information gets out).
Summer Three:
1186 Votes Storyteller for being a possible SK (Odd, no mention at all Summer Two where he believed Story’s claim or not - not even in the fluid vote and but the phrasing seems to suggest he thought scum).
1221 A smart PFK might not kill (but it’s two Nights at this point without extra kill)
Summer Four:
1463 Kelly role seems to be a Night action.
1464 Sorry for not active, will check votes but not red flags at quick glance.
1525 Votes Kelly and if flips town at least we have some confirmed town
Summer Five:
1596 Respond to Rysto about the Drainbead vote: would a scum do it? He spotted another Mason (Freudian) but see only died Tonight (instead of Winter Two when he already noticed).
Votes Storyteller: still scummy and/or SK - in the later case he’s fake playing vigilante until town ask for him to kill and confirm himself.
1600 Expands: Story role is scummy/not town and if he plays town that is what a scummy Story would do as well.
1602 More certain Story SK or has a scum buddy who can hide the flip (janitor)
Summer Six:
1761 1763 Votes Rysto: a scum must have taken the opportunity to bus.
1769 1770 All known scum (Kelly, Alka) voted Mahaloth and still unlikely no scum would have voted Kelly.
1779 Even with vote timing, a scum Rysto would have voted Kelly for town cred, but it’s WiFoM now.
1794 Votes sachertorte over splitting hairs over ‘all known scum’ - he phrased his suspicions of Rysto wrong. Makes a redacted claim.
1799 Half claimed because then people would know they are voting town, time to discuss the half claim and if their demand he’ll make it full
That brings me back at my previous post.
In short things that look scummy:
-His Drainbead vote was valid, but it the reason given for it changed from ‘voting people because they voted town powers is a bad reason’ to PIS everywhere - but ed flip was public.
-His fluiddruid vote without at least mentioning what he thought of Storyteller, but the following Summers being fairly certain Story scum or SK.
I’m keeping my vote until there is a full claim at least, but as said balance wise I’m very skeptic of another town power role out there.
What would be enough of a claim to get you to move your vote?
Scum would have to guess at what Natlaw would want them to do in terms of how to claim “exactly right” as to not get a Natlaw vote. [NatlaWIFOM]
And if Diggit is a town power role, and states his claim verbatim, woe is him if his given role is not enough for you.
I am not one to argue balance. But, wouldn’t balance be set on it’s ear with spawn and the double votes?
OK - now that Natlaw’s said what I was thinking (you too sach?), I definitely want to see more detail on this claim.
Which part of **Natlaw’s **post is what you were thinking?
This bit.
Now that it’s been said, the (faint) hope that it wouldn’t occur to scum, and they would try to kill him, and it would be true is officially dead.
Diggit, when you said that if you made a full claim that your power would be useless, was that because the scum would find out about your power or because the mod would take your power away?
You say that you have used it every winter? Do you think it has helped the pond in anyway so far?