Scum mafia: On Cecil pond [Game Over]

But I will try anyway.

I doubt anyone will read this. Apparently no one reads my posts.

Given that I am already discriminated, I’m not sure what else I can do.
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Wait. What else could I have done for Diggit?**
But, you know, go ahead and don’t answer that.

If you guys would rather me not play at all, I would have taken it better if you had been blunt and frank.

Okay, I rather have that you play instead of worrying about your play style or decrying how you are misunderstood.

Try to understand that this is a game where an important part is that there are people trying to mislead, manipulate and lie to you. And the other part will be treating you as you could be trying to do that to them (unless confirmed).
I can see that for you not having a mason forum is a significant drawback, but really for it not that big a deal compared to the actual mason power (knowing for sure other player who are town).

Also realize that it isn’t a solo game (except for the PFK/Third Parties) - you aren’t personally responsible for a mislynch or losing the game. Especially if you didn’t vote for him. You don’t have to win on you own - town and scum both will make mistakes, that’s just part of life.

Last but not least: it’s a game for fun. Please remember that and repeat it a couple of times to yourself before panicking. A mislynch is not the end of the world or time to despair or have ‘no fucking comment’. That just spoils the fun.

A question for everyone :

Do you guys really think I go out of my way to confuse any of you?

I think Natlaw has a point though. For whatever reason, you guys are mislead [apparently] after anything I say.

How can I compete in this game, if I come off that way from the start, before the actual gamesmanship starts?

>< I was referring to the Scum who are trying to mislead/manipulate/lie the town. And since you’re confirmed as Mason that doesn’t include you. What to me is distracting about you post are the vague reasons. For example the ‘I feel the game has come to a point where I can unvote X’ doesn’t tell me anything why you unvoted. If you think sachertorte was being slippery and scummy, say that - but don’t take his play as a personal affront. It just muddies the argument and there enough filth is the Pond already! (Note: that would be the in game Scum and Spawn - not the people playing them).

But no, I don’t think you mislead anyone but yourself. Reread your posts Summer One - you had a very good start. Then for some reason you took the speculation that special ed defended a Mason Scuba_Ben/Red Skeezix and somehow you* had to tell* everyone that was no true. But the only point where we actually would have needed that info was if he had actually false claimed Mason.

And I Was talking about my play in general, for all games. Don’t get all constipated over that. And if your >< eyes don’t mean that, then you should have stated it, or not used it.

If the reasons to unvote someone are already posted, by someone else, do I need to reiterate?

I can’t speak as to what other players did, or didn’t do, implied or didn’t imply, even if it makes no apparent sense. [What Drain wanted to accomplish by being ambiguous on a possible mason Skeezix is beyond me.**]

As for me, I was at a point where I felt I could not contribute anymore to the game, unless I claimed. There are times where quite frankly, my words even fail me. The take home from this is, as I think I stated earlier, you guys only know me from Mafia, imagine those thought processes in all aspects of life, 24-7. To me, it seemed next to every point I wanted to make would be a PIS.

** Even now, forming this sentence was difficult to me. I wanted to say “Why drain didn’t unconfirm Skeezix” or something similar, but I figured that wouldn’t work for you guys. I actually had to spend more time to find the words I used. Imagine this, along with the fear of slipping on PIS, even though you are town. I had no more freedom left unconfirmed, I saw a lot of freedom after I Was, so I moved to get there.I “moved” to confirm myself so I could add more to the game.

As the Pond shook off the seasonal frost, its denizens were shocked-- shocked– to find that Drain Bead had been Outcompeted in the scarce Winter months.

Well, OK, maybe not all that shocked.

Drain Bead, a Communal Organism, is dead

Town was also equally shocked (that is to say, not much at all) to see that the Scum had reproduced again.

A Spawn has appeared

It is now Summer 7, which will end Thursday, March 18 at 1:00 MDT. Strategy discussion may resume. There is one Spawn in the pond.

[del]1: special_ed[/del]
[del]2: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies[/del]
[del]3: Drain Bead[/del]
4: Oredigger77
[del]5: storyteller0910 [/del]
6: Meeko [del]7: Mahaloth [/del]
[del]8: Freudian Slit[/del]
9: USCDiver
[del]10: Alka Seltzer[/del]
[del]11: peekercpa[/del]
12: Natlaw
[del]13: Zeriel[/del]
[del]14: DiggitCamara[/del]
15: amrussell
[del]16: KellyCriterion[/del]
[del]17: Red Skeezix[/del]
18: sachertorte
[del]19: fluiddruid[/del]
20: TexCat
21: Rysto

Yeah.

Figures our Scum would go for Drain and not me.

Huge vote of confidence from you guys there.

Probably figured I couldn’t hack it on my own.

What ever. At least town is still alive.
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Vote Spawn**

Well, let’s go waaaay outside the box here. Let’s do something no one would expect Meeko to do.

Sach: Tell me your thoughts currently on Diver and TexCat.

And at 7 town left, I bet we have less than 3 more lynches.

Can someone with better Mafia Math comment?

I count 8 players remaining and 1 Spawn so that means that we can’t possibly have 4 remaining living Scum or the game would be over. But there is a very good possibility we have 3 Scum+1 spawn vs 5 Town in which case a mislynch Today and a Town death Tonight would leave us at 3Scum+1Spawn vs 3 Town (ie we are currently at lynch or lose). Less likely is 2scum+1spawn vs 6Town which would leave us at 2+1 vs 4 tomorrow. So we’re either at LyLo now, or tomorrow.

So I’m not sure I agree with the less than, but I would agree with less than or equal to three lynches remaining.

vote Spawn

In case you guys are wondering, I think it it s a fair question to look at people who voted Diggit.

As Sach was working against the case to lynch Diggit, I figure I could look for insight in asking sach about the first two to vote Diggit.

[[Does that help you guys understand me any?]]

I think I’ve got this straight, feel free to check my work. Votes are not necessarily in the order they were placed.

Day 1
peekercpa: special_ed, Mahaloth, Freudian Slit, USCDiver, Alka Seltzer, Zeriel, fluiddruid, TexCat
Red Skeezix: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Oredigger77, Meeko, Natlaw, KellyCriterion
fluiddruid: Drain Bead
Freudian Slit: storyteller, DiggitCamara, sachertorte
USCDiver: amrussell
special_ed: Rysto

Day 2
fluiddruid: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Drain Bead, Oredigger77, DiggitCamara, Rysto
sachertorte: storyteller
Red Skeezix: Meeko
KellyCriterion: Mahaloth, Zeriel
storyteller: Freudian Slit, Alka Seltzer, sachertorte, fluiddruid
Meeko: Natlaw
Mahaloth: amrussell, KellyCriterion, TexCat

Day 3
Mahaloth: Drain Bead, storyteller, Alka Seltzer, Natlaw, amrussell, KellyCriterion, sachertorte
KellyCriterion: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Meeko, Mahaloth, Freudian Slit, Red Skeezix, Rysto
storyteller: Drain Bead, DiggitCamara, TexCat
sachertorte: Oredigger77
Rysto: storyteller
Meeko: USCDiver

Day 4
KellyCriterion: Drain Bead, storyteller, Freudian Slit, USCDiver, Alka Seltzer, Natlaw, DiggitCamara, amrussell, Red Skeezix, sachertorte, TexCat, Rysto
sachertorte: Drain Bead, Meeko
Alka Seltzer: Oredigger77
Rysto: storyteller

Day 5
Alka Seltzer: Drain Bead, Oredigger77, Red Skeezix, Meeko, USCDiver
Oredigger77: Alka Seltzer, Meeko, Natlaw
Storyteller0910: DiggitCamara, TexCat
DiggitCamara: Rysto , sachertorte
sachertorte: Drain Bead

No vote: storyteller0910

Day 6
DiggitCamara: USCDiver, NatLaw, amrussell, TexCat, Rysto
Rysto: DrainBead, USCDiver, sachertorte
sachertorte: Oredigger, meeko, DiggitCamara

Yes, if there are seven town left we would only need to lynch the Spawn to lynch. Except the fact that a Spawn spawned means there is at least one Scum alive.

So best case 7 Town - 1 Scum - 1 Spawn. Six Scum originally (thus four now) would be 4 town - 4 scum - 1 spawn or game over already. Five starting Scum gives 5 town - 3 scum - 1 spawn or lynch or lose. Four starting Scum (unlikely in my opinion with four masons) would be 6 town - 2 scum - 1 spawn and still able to mislynch once (for 4-2-1 Tomorrow).

Going with 5-3-1:
A scum-scum lynch gives 5-1-1 and 4-1-2 Tomorrow (lylo or dual spawn lynch for 3-1-1).
A scum-spawn lynch gives 5-2-0 and 4-2-1 Tomorrow (can mislynch).
A scum-town lynch gives 4-2-1 and 3-2-2 (loss);
A town-spawn lynch gives 4-3-0 and 3-3-1 (loss);
A town-town lynch gives 3-3-1 (loss).

So we need either dual scum or scum-spawn (with five starting scum) to stay in the game. I don’t think a dual player lynch is the way to go this Summer as the Spawn is 100% certain correct lynch.

Vote Spawn

Surprised I lived this long, actually.

Go Pond! I’m gonna get pretty twitchy soon without a game to play.

Oh, and feel free to PM me some spoilers.

Meeko, does this mean that you think Sach is pond??? Because he was working against the case to lynch Diggit?? Didn’t you vote Sach?

Sach, I, too, am looking forward to hearing your opinion, though perhaps for different reasons :slight_smile:

NETA: BTW USCDiver and I were the LAST two votes on Diggit, weren’t we? Not the first?

I don’t think scum would have expected me to ask Sach to comment.

I have always said I had the Madness. If I only had the Method, I would be set.

I would like to hear from Sach. If he is town, then his feedback would be a good step forward, instead of mine, which I can assure you is less than stable. [Scum would have voted me last night if I was on top of my game.]

If Sach is scum, the reasons he gives will be intereesting to read, even more interesting to dissect. If it smells like PIS we should know something.

I can say this, because I still ask the question to Sach, and expect an answer. Knowing my M.O. here doesn’t bias the answer.

The wagon for Diggit came late, and really took me by surprise. I wouldn’t rule out that both of the voters were Scum.

Based on sach not wanting to lynch Diggit, I am interested in what he has to say. Yes, this is a dodge to your question.

[Don’t need to stick my neck out here, quite yet, either way. Today has just started. And apparently, I am Scum MVP once again. With or without the comments I had on Diggit.]

If we knew for sure how many scum we had left, I think you find your above argument to hold more water than it does. We don’t know numbers, and therefore I’m not sure what weight to put on the vote order.

USCDiver’s math looks correct to me. I agree that we almost certainly are facing triple lynch-or-lose toDay. Here are some things that we have to keep in mind:

  • We all have to vote for spawn. If some townies double-vote, scum could switch their second vote at the last second and get a second lynch of Town
  • Not only do we all have to vote for scum, we all have to vote for the same scum. Town lost Crimson Glyph because one townie didn’t vote and another didn’t follow the Town in voting for the confirmed scum. He actually voted for scum, but that didn’t matter. The scum switched all of their votes in the last minute to win.