Scylla is a liar (or is suffering paranoid delusions...you make the call)

The BBQ Pit
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Why do you have to have something to apologize for to do it anyway? Listen to Icey, make 'da peace. You guys ain’t ever gonna agree on this issue. And you’re both too damn stubborn for either of you to win. So, either you keep arguing for years, until it evelates to fire bombing each other’s cars, or give up, and realize it just isn’t worth it. How can it be worth it if there’s nothing to be gained?

It’s true that what goes around comes around, but when it starts making laps it’s time for someone to stop passing the doochie on the left hand side.

I hope you get what I’m saying. Because otherwise I’ll have to get even more obscure.

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You think your wrath justifies what you did. I was both polite in civil in that thread. I specifically made a compliment before I posted, and expressed a genuine and sincere interest so that there could be no way you could misinterpret my post.

I had contradictory information, and I was curious. If the topic was so sacred that you are unwilling to discuss it, maybe you shouldn’t post it for discussion.

Sending me that email is wrong in any circumstance, and it was especially wrong in that one, in light of my polite and civil posts. It was so out of proportion to any perceived wrong that it was seriously alarming. It was alarming enough that I ceased posting and went out of my way to avoid you, because it looks nuts.

You said you gave me the benefit of the doubt. I don’t want it. Doubt me or don’t me, but if you pull that kind of extreme shit, I will take it very seriously.

You don’t have any right to tell me what I can and can’t discuss. Not only was the tone offensive. The demand was offensive. This is not your message board, and you don’t get to tell people what topics are off limits. I didn’t bother to try to interpret what topics and comments were permissible in further communications and postings, and thereby decide it was ok to say I was in error. I concluded you were a nut, and avoided you like the plague.

I don’t hide it if I’m wrong. Why bother? It doesn’t mean anything, and I have nothing invested in being correct if I’m not. I must have admitted mistakes several dozen times on this board. I didn’t go back and correct that one because I thought it best to steer clear of you and distance myself as much as possible.

I honestly couldn’t care less about your demands and what you allow me to say. You don’t have anything to back them up, so your demands are essentially meaningless. I stopped and avoided you because your actions scared me and my wife, and I saw nothing to be gained by provoking you. While I don’t care about your demands, I do care about keeping both the peace, and my peace of mind.

You didn’t win. There’s nothing to win. I might even think that you lost. Had you not gone off like a bomb, it was an argument you were destined to win, and win quickly. Perhaps it even might have been a good discussion, and perhaps more people would have learned about this problem, and perhaps I did, and do have something to contribute.

Instead you flew off the handle, scared my wife and disturbed the shit out of me, continued to provoke me in spite of the past incident, or perhaps because of it, and now we have this whole horrible unpleasantness.

I think it’s a loss. For everybody.

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Scylla, can’t you see that at least SOME of the blame (if there’s any blame to be had) lies on your head?

Never in my life have I seen two people so steadfastly opposed. If this were a movie, it would end with you two either killing each other, or falling in love with each other. But this doesn’t have to end like a movie. This doesn’t have to be resolved. In fact, I don’t think it ever will be.

Geez, you two are like a couple of pitbulls with pork chops strapped to your necks. Oh well, I give up, and I suggest you two do the same before you get blood on the carpet.

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Don’t hold your breath, Vince, i ain’t holding mine.

And ** Ice Wolf ** : I don’t mean to disappoint you again, (or come close, anyway. :slight_smile: )but the best I can manage is simply not to pursue it further. i’ve said it all, all the evidence has been thoroughly presented, and I’ve been very gratified to get the support I’ve gotten. I feel pretty vindicated.

And gosh… I’m going to save your insanely sweet post in my “For days When I’m Feeling Down” folder, and go back and read it to cheer me up. Jeepers!. :o

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I’m… I’m touched. Thank you.

I’ve read everything you two have posted. You both should be adults, apologize (and mean it), shake hands, and move on.

My $0.02.

Esprix

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Yeah, Stoid, your decision to just leave the thing is cool. Take care of yourself, hear?

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When I read this:

I blinked three time to make sure I was awake. Then I pinched myself. I was sure I was dreaming.

…but I wasn’t. So I scrolled back up to actually READ Scylla’s post again. I guess I thought it was possible that I hadn’t acutally read any of this:

Scylla said:

::Walks off wondering if we are all reading the same thread::

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Okay. A bitter comment like this to a post not directed at you helps HOW?

I’m sorry, whatever I think of the original brouhaha, a crack like this, when everyone and their fucking dog thinks you should each learn how to step back a bit and let it go, staggers me. Why?

From where I sit, you’re just throwing the shit out there, trying to keep this stirred up. My symphathies are considerably lessened.

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Vince:

Yes, I do know that some of it’s my fault. I’ve said that I’m sorry for it here. I’ve said it elsewhere, anytime I’ve been able to discern that I was wrong, and thought an admission might help.

I have done so when the blame is wholly on my shoulders, and I have done when I have been technically in the right, and have unwittingly hurt someone through my ham-handedness.

The problem here, is that we are not on a two-way street.

I learned that in the “Why I don’t Trust Republicans/Conservatives” thread that Stoid started where she stubbornly insisted that Republicans were de facto selfish and evil (go read it yourself if you don’t believe me,) and refused to admit that there was anything wrong with her blanket condemnation.

The fact that she could get away with it on this message board doesn’t make it any more right than if she had bashed gays and gotten away with it on a religious right message board.

It was confirmed for me when she asserted that anybody who hunts, does so because they like to commit murder, and refused to back down, in spite of pages of patient explanation.

I think she only cares about her special causes, and it doesn’t matter who she hurts or what kind of venom she spouts in pursuit of them.

I have never seen her back down, admit she was wrong, or otherwise honestly asess the impact of her actions.

It’s the mark of the fanatic, and the blindly self-righteous. I think she’s an unrepentant bigot. Even worse, is that it’s clear to me that she’s smart enough to no better.

None of this is my problem, or my business. Beleive it or not, I even continied to like her in spite of all this. Whether or not she admitted it, I think she was learning that there’s more than one side to her positions.

Where I stopped liking her and when it became my business was when she had the audacity to send hateful emails to my house.

I am glad to put this matter to rest. I will try to be polite and civil, and expect the same. I’ll apologize when I’m not, and mean it, and expect the same.

But consideration, courtesy, and respect are a two way street.

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Usually like reading pit threads, flames-a-plenty.

I don’t like this one.

Scylla has down and out apologized and explained his actions. From here it is a matter of, IMO, bad taste to continue anything.

Stoid, why don’t you state, in one small, compact, efficient post, what exactly you want from scylla so this whole mess can be done with. Do not load it with charged words. Do not mix insults with it. Simply ask, point blank, for what would put the matter to rest.

This ain’t the typical “You’re stupid and I’m smart” pit thread. So why act like it is with the never-ending insults?

Scylla, man, leave the rest of them off. Your beef, if you have one, is only with stoid. They can play in someone else’s playground.

See you both in GD :smiley:

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I guess I’m reading a different thread.

Scylla has not apologized (and I really don’t care at this point). He kinda sorta maybe a little said that yeah, he had a tiny little bit of some responsibility because he coulda been maybe a little more sensitive…

and then went right into letting me know that he found me “wholly contemptible”.

My mommy taught me that if I’m gonna apologize for something, i don’t use that as an opportunity to tear into the person I’m apoologizing to. It doesn’t count if you say the equivalent of “I’m sorry…you are such an awful person”. What did your mommy teach you?

He has, since that post, gone on to write a couple more, calling me a crazed lunatic, nuts, other forms of insane, a bigot, he’s dragged up shit that is months old which he obviously hasn’t gotten over, and is trying to turn this into yet another “stoid is the most horrible person ever to visit the straight dope” thread, of which there have already been two.

Oddly enough, I just don’t feel all warm, cuddly, and full of my own peacemaking feelings, ya know?

It is actually almost funny to me how I’m getting shit for not accepting his “apology” as he continues to rant about me. Even you, pretty much accused ME of using the “charged words” - when I’m not the one saying contemptible, crazed, bigot, disturbed lunatic, now am I? So why do I get the admonishment, hmm? Could it be because everyone is just so accustomed to Stoid being the bad guy and Scylla being all cute and fuzzy?

Don’t know, don’t care anymore. I know who I am and I’m good with it.

stoid

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I think we all made a mistake of casually glossing over this phrase in Stoid’s OP:

What am I doing here?

-L

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Stoid:

If somebody bumps into you while walking and fails to be considerate enough to apologize, that is wrong. It may just be an oversight, or an honest mistake but it’s still wrong.

If you then hunt them down, burn their cat, and hang it in their doorway that is not a justifiable repsonse.

It is also ironic to think that it is justifiable to get upset about being bumped, when it your habit to go tearing down the hallways hurtling people left and right. Especially so when you have a longstanding habit of refusing to acknowledge that you’ve done so, when it’s pointed out to you. You have done so by your determined mischaracterization of Republicans, hunters and God knows what else, and you have done so without the slightest hint of remorse, or even acknowledgement that you might have been in error.

Nevertheless, though you’ve burned, I’ve acknowledged my misstep. I do so again. I am unreservedly sorry for my insensitivity. I apologize.

Now you are still upset that I have called you contemptible, and a nut.

As for the latter, I think your email was way out of line. I was civil, and courteous and even conciliatory in that MPSIMS thread. Your reaction was as scary and disturbing as if you had burned my cat for being bumped in the hallway. In short, it seems nuts. That’s why I stayed away from you, and that’s why I chose not to respond. Explain it as an overreaction, and a mistake, and then I will no longer think it’s nuts. Stand behind it as a justifiable act, and…

As for contemptible, You’ve just said that you know who you are and your comfortable with it. I believe both those things. I believe that you know that you’ve done some pretty shitty things. I beleive you know the email was wrong. I believe you know that the mischaracterizations you’ve perpetrated are wrong and hurtful. I believe you know these things.

I also beleive you when you say you’re comfortable with them.

That’s what I think is contemptible. It will remain so until you acknowledge, even if just to yourself, that it is wrong.

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Stoid? Scylla? Please stop this. Stop posting and take a breather. All you are doing is pissing each other off with no progress. Now this is the pit, and you are free to flame each other until doomsday or until one or both of you gets banned, but I don’t think any of us really wants to see that. Good-natured ribbing is one thing, this is something else.

What’s the point? Does either of you think you’ll feel better about yourself if the other party is reduced to a grovelling puddle? Will you suddenly be justified in ripping on someone because you were a little more right than they were? Is this making either of you happy?

Admit it, you both made mistakes. Neither of you is going to “win” this. Take the high road. Stop sniping at each other. Forgive. Forget. Move on. Live.

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Mrblue is right:

In fact this whole thing should never have happened. I’ve said my piece Stoid, and by now I think we’re both perfectly clear on what are relative positions are.

Do as you think best, and I hope it’s good. Here’s what I’m going to doo;

I’m going to start over. I’m going to pretend that the next post I see from Stoid is from a brand new person I’ve never met before, and that none of this ever happened. I’m going to call it a clean slate.

I’m not coming back to this thread unless I’m sure there’s something constructive and good that can come of it.

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Here, here!

My respect for Scylla has just gone up several notches.

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OK Stoid, up to you. I know you don’t need my help, but I’m offering.

I strongly suggest you ignore the Scylla’s next to last post, say you’re going to forget about this, and ask the mods to close this thread. Don’t try to take a parting shot. Don’t try to justify your actions or counter-argue because it’s not going to help.

Let it go. Relax. Don’t speak of this again. It’s not that important.

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OK Stoid, up to you. I know you don’t need my help, but I’m offering.

I strongly suggest that you ignore Scylla’s next to last post, say you’re going to forget about this, and ask the mods to close this thread. Don’t try to take a parting shot. Don’t try to justify your actions or counter-argue because it’s not going to help.

Let it go. Relax. Don’t speak of this again. It’s not that important.

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Actually it appears that I’m insisting on the last word, which I’m not. That would be unfair in light of my previous post.

Feel free to have the last word, here.

Then, as far as I’m concerned it’s a new ballgame.

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Seconding the motion for Stoid to request closure of the thread. The posts are getting redundant.