If you want to compare this result to a big survey of the US here you go:
http://b27.cc.trincoll.edu/weblogs/AmericanReligionSurvey-ARIS/reports/ARIS_Report_2008.pdf
In this survey 0.7% of people said they are atheist
If you want to compare this result to a big survey of the US here you go:
http://b27.cc.trincoll.edu/weblogs/AmericanReligionSurvey-ARIS/reports/ARIS_Report_2008.pdf
In this survey 0.7% of people said they are atheist
It is wrong of me to chafe over the fact that some people are unhappy that “agnostic” doesn’t have a distinct category alongside “theist”, “atheist”, and “dunno”? Agnosticism/Aagnosticism is about knowability. Theism/Atheism is about belief. The two are completely orthogonal and, if you actually use the words correctly, completely unrelated. So now we have this poll - it’s about the belief/non-belief angle, and not the knowability angle. Is it so wrong to ask this question?
I like that; closely describes my feelings too.
Yeah, but according to that study, 2.3% claims there is no god, so take that figure with a bit of salt. Also: a whopping 12% claims there is no personal god. I had NO idea Deism was so popular in the States.
Anyway, the figures for “no god” in my poll are currently at 65% which is higher than I expected even here.
Yes, I agree. I self-identify as ignostic, which makes answering these sorts of polls fairly impossible (and the answers useless).
Not sure what this means, but I’m fairly sure that begbert’s point was:
This poll is about what you believe, not what you know. Agnosticism is about “knowing” and therefore not relevant to the thread.
You believe X
You don’t believe X
You’re not sure what you believe
Yeah, there are degrees of belief, and if the conflict between your belief/disbelief makes picking one of the first two options painful, then pick Not Sure.
And if deciding whether or not you’re Unsure is painful, then yes, you’re Unsure.
That was in any case what I had in mind when I started this poll. In fact the whole “knowing vs believing” is explicitly reiterated in the OP.
My main goal with that was to reduce artificial inflation of the “don’t know” option by people who usually identify as agnostic but in fact are believers (or not).
Practicing atheists go to no church every day and then don’t pray there.
The latter of these works for me. In its absence, I went with nonbelief.
I hate to choose that I “believe in God” without some definition of terms. Might as well say that I kdiptal in corsonza. They’re just words.
Well, OK, I choose to use them.
I’m pretty sure I was agreeing with begbert that for many people (myself included) “belief” is a fairly useless term because it implies knowing what there is to believe or not believe in.
Oh, you didn’t offend me. I just thought you might be referring to tendency to start far sillier polls than this in which I pretend to be a demonic bureaucrat or villainous madman.
If you read the OP, you’ll see that he’s not interested in the epistemological question. You either have an active belief in gods, you don’t have an active belief in gods or you can’t decide. There are no other choices. There isn’t any nuanced “other” option. The correct answer for you is option one. You do not have any current, active beliefs in any gods.
I wrote practical atheist. But I do, in fact, go to a church building about four days out of an average week, because I volunteer there. I even attend services sometimes, though I don’t feel obliged to stay for the sermon.
No, I don’t believe there are any gods.
That pretty much sums it up for me with absolutely no level of ambiguity.
Kindly do not tell me what the correct answer for me is, sir.
I am not willing to state categorically that those who do believe in deities are lying, deluded, or erroneous.
Also, part of me loves Thor and always will. See also Athena. And, to be frank, Aslan.
I don’t believe in any supreme creator-type being that has been described thus far in human history, and I’m highly dubious that any other more believable type will come along, unless you count an alien technology vastly more advanced than ours as having some part in our evolution.
…which is a bit worrying I must say. There actually are over a million people who are Atheists, as opposed to merely being atheists.
I didn’t tell you, you told me. You said you don’t believe in any gods. That was the question to be answered.
Who asked you to? How does personally lacking belief imply any of that about others?
Incidentally, if they actually do believe, then, by definition, they aren’t lying, so that’s not an implication no matter how you slice it.
Mistaken? Deluded? How would those even be insults? Do you think they might be right? Do you think there’s any possibility that the historical claims of Christianity are literally, factually accurate? If not, then you have to believe that people who do believe it are mistaken. Just because you don’t want to say it, doesn’t mean you don’t think it.
Hi SecondJudith. I believe you’re misinterpreting begbert’s post, but perhaps he’ll correct me.
I know I don’t understand your point. I don’t understand quasars but believe they exist. I don’t know a tenth of Asian/African/AmerInd historical deities but do believe they don’t really exist.
I could be wrong about those deities not existing, but right now I don’t believe in them.
It’s nigh impossible to have complete understanding of anything in this universe, but we humans almost universally have countless beliefs none-the-less.
And on the reverse side of the coin, humans have no real understanding or knowledge of any immortal/immensely powerful creatures with inhuman intelligence. But that doesn’t keep most folk from believing in one or more, and further believing that the creature is “good.”
They may be crazy, but the belief definitely exists.
The thread is about belief. Not knowledge.