I remember that. I was in it for a while, but they kicked me out because:
A.)I wasn’t Gay
and
B.) My communist leanings only went as far as being a great follower of Marxist(Groucho, Chico, Harpo and occaionsly Zeppo) Philosophy.
Well, I do have a black Rifle. It’s a post-ban (16" bushmaster with iron sites) though hangs his head in shame.
Well I guess the definition has expanded to include all military type rifles. In that case I have two more to add. My M1 Garand is my DCM rifle. It’s an arsenal rebuild in the early fifties but the reciever is a '43 SA which likely saw action. The other is an H&R replica cavalry trapdoor in .45-70. The 1873 equivalent of the M4 carbine. Single shot but quick to reload and throws a heavy punch. For those unfamiliar the M1 was the standard military rifle from the late thiries until past the Korean war. The Sprinfield is the same type use by the 7th Cavalry at the battle of the Little Big Horn.
Kalashnikov, too bad you can’t put a real flash hider on it. The Smith Vortex flash hider is extremely effective.
If guns are (to a guy) an extension of the penis, then I have penis-envy.
No rifles here, except if you count my black, scoped, BB/pellet rifle. <whimper>
I live in a smallish condo, so all I have is two handguns, both Walthers.
- PPK .380 stainless steel American-made
- P99 9mm black/tennifer German-made
And no, I’m not particularly a James Bond fan and that’s NOT why I have the guns that James Bond used/uses.
I’ve got two factory 17 round mags for the P-99. They’re not preban, but they’re somehow legal even though the P-99 wasn’t sold in the U.S. until after the ban. I’d like to get the laser-sight specificly made for the P-99, but they are way to expensive.
So, do I qualify as a junior member?
Any magazine made after 1994 is post ban and illegal (except to first class citizens). It’s possible that your magazines were made before 1994 and imported after - that’s perfectly legal.
Padeye - good to hear you have a DCM rifle. Did you go through the qualification process when it was still available? I helped a bunch of folks get their Garands with this method. IIRC, the cost of the rifle was $165 at that time. It is, as Patton said, “The greatest battle tool ever devised.” or something like that. It is pretty heavy, but the “ol’ thumb buster” shoots an effective round and can be very accurate. I remember qualifying with this piece a long time ago, and I don’t recall any evidence of “maggie’s drawers” from the butts. 'Course, my eyes were a little younger then, and I could actually SEE the bull at 300 meters.
CMP still sells rifles, in fact you can buy one per calendar year not just one in your lifetime as before. They’ve got Danish issue rifles that you can potentnially get two or three per year if you want and they even sell bare recievers now.
http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/m1garand.htm
If you want a real rifle instead of a poodle shooter consider an M1. Own your own piece of the arsenal of democracy.
Oh, so the club now includes real military rifles and not just those toy plastic .22s? 
I guess since you’ll allow people to join with manly rifles like the M1 Garand (none of this ‘recoil pad’ nonsense, give me a .30-06 with a steel butt plate) I can join too. I’ve got one made in march 1944 that I’ve taken to the range a few times, with a companion 1911 (though that’s a modern one). At some point I want to get an M1 carbine and an actual wartime 1911 to set it off, though that’s off in the future a bit.
Although I like yanking the chain of the AR crowd, I am thinking about getting an AR-15 for highpower rifle competitions at some point (probably a Bushmaster, though Fulton Armory’s wares are tempting, if a bit steeper in price). And I do feel for you Californians, since you can’t get one unless you had it before the ban or store it out of state (which makes shooting just a bit inconvenient).
Riboflavin: Except for a couple of controlled ranges I’ve heard of, there’s hardly a place to shoot in So. Cal. There was one up in the Angeles National Forest, but it was closed down years ago. When I shoot, I like to do it at my own pace at my own targets. I don’t like having to pay someone for the priviledge. The outdoor ranges are a bit far to go, and the indoor ones won’t allow me to shoot mu black powder revolvers.
Major gloat time here. 
Seriously, I feel for the guys who live in the PRK and other less free states. Maybe we should host a Phoenix Doper Scheutzenfest one of these days. There are three major outdoor ranges in and around Phoenix and the winter weather is nice. I personally favor Phoenix Rod & Gun but amd getting back to monthly cowboy action shooting with my club at the Ben Avery Range. Rio Salado hosts a submachinegun match four times a year and a generous friend with lots of cool toys loans me a “spare” machinegun so I can shoot that match with him.
Riboflavin, do you mean regular NRA high power or for service rifle where it has to look like a military issue M-16 as much as legally possible?
NRA high-power style (though I’m not sure if the local matches exactly fit the standard, we’ve recently had to change our skeet matches so no one gets confused going to a ‘proper’ skeet match and to participate in a league). I haven’t really thought about the styling yet, I might get one that’s suitable for service rifle though I’d probably use my Garand for a service rifle match (since I don’t plan to modify it). Do the service rifle matches require a pre-ban AR-15? I will probably get one of the post-ban ones because of the extra cost of pre-ban.
They waived the requirement for bayonet lug and flash suppressor since there can be no new AR-15 type rifles with those features sold to civilians. Most folks will go with a floating hand guard like the one Bushmaster sells. http://bushmaster.com/shopping/dcm/9349059cga.asp
I started out going the HBAR “assault varminter” route but became disenchanted. Much easier to get a good trigger in a bolt action rifle for a reasonable price and the magazine dimensions in an AR make it hard to seat some bullets to a longer OAL than normal. I’ve got a Bushmaster lower I want to build up someday so I may still do that but it will be a non-military looking rifle. Half of it anyway.
Tripler - I just looked at the photo of “Regina,” and I am curious - how well does the Krinkov-style muzzle brake work? I have no experience with that style; I think it was designed for the new pipsqueak ComBloc round, right? I have been hearing lots of stuff about how some muzzle brakes work better with higher velocity ammo, so I wonder if the 5.56 will make the thing as effective as the 5.45 or whatever the new round is. I have tried several muzzle brakes on AR-15/M-16, Mini-14, and H&K 93 rifles, but very few seem to change the flash signature or felt recoil at all. One of the exceptions was the old Dater, which actually kept the muzzle down remarkably well. I ended up taking my own design to a local machine shop and had one made that tamed the hellacious muzzle blast from a Mini-14 reasonably well. That dang chunk of metal cost me $150, including the threading of the barrel - pretty expensive experiment, i gotta admit.
The krinkov typicaly has a conical flash hider, not a muzzle brake. If you’re referring the the 2-stage AK-74 type brake, it’s regarded as the most effective assault rifle brake in the world.
As far as I know, the first stage is a unidirectional gas escape stage where the escaping gas energy ‘cancels out’ that on the other sides. The second stage functions like a more conventional ak-47 brake, and ports gas upwards to counter muzzle climb.
I shot a ‘real deal’ ak74 with the muzzle brake a few months ago - I was shooting at a car at about 100 meters, and I maintained the muzzle over the target the whole time. Extremely effective brake. Although I’m pretty familiar and good with working recoil on the ak74 system. In any case, I’ve read that a skilled rifleman can empty a 30 round magazine on a paper plate at 50 yards at 600 RPM with the brake.
Oh, and don’t call 5.45 a pipsqueak round again. Those are fighting words.
:rolleyes: If it didn’t take you 30 rounds of 5.45 to do the job of 8 rounds of .30-06, I wouldn’t have any basis to make fun of those pipsqueak rounds.
Plus, I have the added benefit of being able to counter-correct people who attempt to correct me when I’m talking about clips, which is worth a lot in amusement value. (OK, so it only happened once…)
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Well, that’s a pretty huge debate, anyway. My personal taste is that integral medium caliber support weapons should be reintroduced on a squad level, but there’s merit to effective SCHV assault rifles.
Odd. You’d think someone knowledgable enough to know the difference between a clip and a magazine would know what a garand used - but then again, maybe they just told everyone they were always wrong for using ‘clip’.
Pipsqueak? Did I say pipsqueak? Sorry. I meant to say poopsqueak… So, the muzzle brake/flash hider on Tripler’s AR-15 in the photo is not a Krinkov style? I stand corrected. What is that style then? SenorBeef, do you know where I can look at detailed plans or a cross-sectional diagram or other info on the design of “the most effective assault rifle brake in the world”? That’s the one I want! I still like the “looks” of the older slotted flash hiders, but “looks” don’t hold the muzzle down, eh?
Ladies, ladies. Let’s stop the bickering. There is room in this club for all kinds of black rifles be they 5.45mm, 5.56, any flavor of 7.62, .30 cal US. or .45-70. I’ve got at least one in each except for 5.45 so I don’t discriminate.
BTW, for all of the people with registered ‘assault rifles’ in California, how does buying parts for them work? I know that with the federal ban, you can buy a whole new upper with all of the evil features on it and replace the old one if you want to, but generally ‘evil feature collection’ uppers have a ‘won’t ship to CA’ label on them.
Oh, and SenorBeef, in case it wasn’t clear from my extremely rare use of smilies, I was just yanking the chain of the various black rifle owners. I don’t buy into the rather common and loudly put ‘the M16 is the worst rifle our troops have ever had’ bit in reality, but it’s fun to use to yank the chains of black riflers.
And the clip vs magazine thing is a case of someone who picked up a little bit of knowledge and likes to show off without really knowing what they’re talking about. People like that really irritate me - if you’re going to cockily correct people over using a word incorrectly, at least know what you’re talking about.
Hmm, this could be the start of a GD/flame war. Cool. So what was the worst weapon ever issued to our troops?
The Early M-16 had its troubles to be sure but a lot of it stemmed from lack of cleaning kits in the field and incorrect powder specification with high percentages of calcium carbonate. Almost a parallel to problems with the trapdoor when it was adopted. Nothing really wrong with the design but the copper cased ammunition was a nightmare when it came apart in the chamber.
Other candidates, maybe the M1 carbine. IIRC there was a crappy French machine gun/SAW in the great war that was a true POS.