SDMB Dems, whom do you prefer -- Clinton or Obama?

[carnivorousplant]

@Snickers

If it’s McCain v. Clinton, yikes - I don’t know who I’d pick there.

As much as I like and respect McCain (tho’ there are things I definitely don’t like about him), I can’t have another Republican in office.

You seem to contradict yourself.

[carnivorousplant]

@An Arky

Better to have someone meh and not get your dreams dashed suddenly and violently.

As a fellow Arkansan, surely you are aware that if we could truly change something by voting, they wouldn’t let us do it.

[Captain_Lance_Murdoch]

Obama. He has the energy and passion to bring about the change this country needs.

I think it’s critical that America not elect another president who supported the war in Iraq. That would send the wrong message, I think, to the world. Plus Clinton pretty much repeated her mistake by voting for the Revolutionary Guard bill that was widely seen as a Bush attempt to justify action against Iran. This was the definitive issue of my generation and Clinton was on the wrong side of it.

I also think Obama is easily the more electable of the two.

If Clinton somehow wins she will enter office with a very high negative rating much like Bush did after the 2004 election. Sure he won, but just barely and almost half the country hated his guts. It made it hard for him to accomplish anything and the almost half turned into an overwhelming majority in short order.

[Captain_Amazing]

@Phlosphr

He makes you feel too good so you choose not to trust him? What’s wrong with a president who inspires?

Because I get so excited by what he’s saying, I find it hard to think critically about what he’s saying. I don’t trust charismatic leadership, because it’s irrational. The Obama campaign, and some of the reactions to it, seem irrational, and it scares me when people act irrationally.

[Sal_Ammoniac]

Clobama. I mean Obinton.

Obama, for those keeping score.

[Cyberhwk]

@spooje

I voted for Obama in the California primary. Much good it did, though.

Pledged delegates are divided proportionally so every vote DOES count. Super delegates not withstanding.

Caucused for Obama in WA state. Donated to Obama. Would begrudgingly vote for Hillary if she wins outright.

If the super delegates overturn the popular decision, I would seriously have to think about it though. That would be the ultimate slap in the face to voters.

[carnivorousplant]

@Cyberhwk

If the super delegates overturn the popular decision, I would seriously have to think about it though. That would be the ultimate slap in the face to voters.

We are talking about ending the war, doing away with the wealthy tax cuts, feeding the kids in the Delta and keeping Rowe vs. Wade. Whoever gets the Democratic nomination, stay focused.

[Starving_Artist]

@DianaG

Of course. Perfectly equal epithets, no doubt applied with comparable frequency. It must be my silly feminine hysteria that causes me to perceive it differently. Uh huh. :rolleyes:

A cursory SDMB search of “Hillary” + “bitch” brings up 206 posts. “Clinton” + “bitch” brings up 139.

“Obama” + “asshole” = 28
“Edwards” + “asshole” = 41
“McCain” + “asshole” = 29
“Romney” + “asshole” = 8
“Giuliani” + “asshole” = 14 (!!!)

“Clinton” (Bill, primarily) + “asshole” = 164

Still, it’s fallacious to assume that equal epithets = equal frequency. None of the men you list has anywhere near Clinton’s record of grating behavior, nor for anywhere near as long a period of time.

[Airman_Doors_USAF]

@carnivorousplant

We are talking about ending the war, doing away with the wealthy tax cuts, feeding the kids in the Delta and keeping Rowe vs. Wade. Whoever gets the Democratic nomination, stay focused.

I don’t know what you’re talking about, but if this is what you think that either candidate is going to do you’re in for a rude awakening. They will have little impact in any of those, but most especially Roe v. Wade, which is essentially settled law by now. You act as if it’s going away. If Bush couldn’t do it with his huge evangelical base, nobody can.

[samm]

Obama! Between this thread and everyone I have talked to, I don’t know how the two candidates are even still as close as they are? If Clinton somehow wins the nomination, I feel certain that the Republicans will turn out in droves and we will get stuck with McCain.

[Starving_Artist]

@Airman Doors

…but most especially Roe v. Wade, which is essentially settled law by now. You act as if it’s going away. If Bush couldn’t do it with his huge evangelical base, nobody can.

Bush couldn’t do it? Has he been trying?

And even if he had, what role would his “evangelical base” play in making it happen?

As far as I’m aware, the only way Roe v. Wade could reasonably be expected to be reversed is by the Supreme Court, and it has shown little interest in revisiting the issue.

As you said, it’s pretty much settled law by now.

[FairyChatMom]

@picker

Obama, without a doubt. Something about Hillary just strikes me wrong; I get the sense that she wants to be The First Woman President so badly that she’ll do or say just about anything.

She mostly just comes across as selfish and power-hungry to me. YMMV

My impression exactly. I don’t trust her.

Obama is a breath of fresh air.

[Least_Original_User_Name_Ever]

@Airman Doors

Yes, and no. While I realize that all politicians are opportunists, Obama hasn’t been around long enough for me to dislike him, even though we agree on pretty much nothing at all. Hillary has given me plenty of opportunities to observe her in action, and I have never like what I have seen. Not even once.

Of course, I’ve changed a bit since she was First Lady, but nevertheless she triggers my gag reflex, like food you haven’t eaten in 20 years because it made you puke.

I’ll tell you this, though. If Obama carries the popular-vote delegate lead into the convention and she gets the nomination due to the superdelegates, the Democrats are finished. More to the point, they would lose any moral authority that they had to bitch about the 2000 election, because they would be stealing it for Clinton in an even more craven manner, in broad daylight.

So it’s just that Obama hasn’t done anything to make you hate him yet? I’m still not getting where the hate’s coming from.

[carnivorousplant]

@Starving Artist

Bush couldn’t do it? Has he been trying?

That would depend upon how many judges Republicans can put in.

[Starving_Artist]

I’ll admit that it occurred to me that that might be what he was driving at, but then where does the “huge evangelical base” fit in?

Frankly, I think certain people just assume he’s working to eliminate Roe v. Wade and then accept that assumption as fact.

I haven’t seen much evidence that either he or the Supreme Court are particularly faunching at the bit to tackle the issue.

[BrainGlutton]

@Starving Artist

I’ll admit that it occurred to me that that might be what he was driving at, but then where does the “huge evangelical base” fit in?

Frankly, I think certain people just assume he’s working to eliminate Roe v. Wade and then accept that assumption as fact.

I haven’t seen much evidence that either he or the Supreme Court are particularly faunching at the bit to tackle the issue.

I should hope not. If Roe v. Wade is overturned, that throws the abortion question back to the state legislatures and governors. It’ll be the worst political disaster for the Pubs since . . . well, since W took office.

[BrainGlutton]

@Starving Artist

Okay, I’ll take a shot:

1. Bitch is simply the female equivalent of asshole, and its use really doesn’t have anything to do with misogyny…it’s just that for some reason the descriptor “asshole” never attached itself to women.

The reason for this, I believe–and I’m not trying to start a fight here–is that men and women are simply different in certain ways (an easy way to illustrate this is to ask if the audiences and readership for such things as “action movies”, “chick flicks”, car magazines and romance novels is split 50/50 between men and women?) and thus, certain words have evolved to describe certain negative characteristics of each sex. “Asshole” has become the descriptor of choice when it comes to describing certain types of negative behavior in men, and everyone knows exactly what is meant when a man is described that way; “Bitch” has become the descriptor of choice when it comes to describing certain negative behavior in women, and everyone knows exactly what is meant when a woman is described that way. Calling a woman an asshole simply doesn’t convey her personality or behavior in an accurate way, and calling a man a bitch is just plain silly.

BTW, the Bitch Question is being discussed (if that is not too strong a word) in an ongoing Pit thread.

[BobLibDem]

1. Obama
2. Sticking hot coals up my nostrils
3. Hillary

Obama can beat McCain, Hillary can’t. That he has come so far in a race that was crafted to Hillary’s benefit speaks volumes. If and when we have a female president, I want it to be a woman who rose by her own merit.

[Starving_Artist]

@BrainGlutton

I should hope not. If Roe v. Wade is overturned, that throws the abortion question back to the state legislatures and governors. It’ll be the worst political disaster for the Pubs since . . . well, since W took office.

I don’t really think there’s much impetus right now to tackle Roe v. Wade. It’s been in effect for so long now that most people either accept it as unavoidable or, having grown up with it, view it as the normal state of affairs.

And on preview, thanks for the link to the Pit thread. I’ll check it out.

[The_Understander]

Obama. But I’d vote for Hillary if she got the nod. To elect another Republican after Bush would prove, to me, that this country is ready for banana republic status.