That’s a pretty dick move after you told me you’d play out this year regardless of your rule change proposal.
Stuff came up and I’m really disinterested now, sorry you think I’m a dick bro.
You said your continued participation wasn’t dependent on rule changes, and that you wouldn’t leave this year. Replacing two people in one year could potentially be tricky, we’ve only ever done one replacement in the 10 year history of the league. Now you’re saying you’re “out of the league” because “the rules are so bad and no one wants to change them” - 6 weeks after (and 6 weeks closer to the draft) I first asked if I was going to need to replace you. How is that in any way not a dick move? No one else wanted your massive changes to the rules that you must’ve known would’ve been too big to implement in one year even if they were popular, and even though you said you’d play anyway, now you’re quitting 6 weeks later because of the thing you said you wouldn’t quit over.
I don’t think massive rule changes are ever good, unless it’s a 100% redraft league. I’d be fine with reducing the rosters one spot, but I’d hope future draft pick trading is allowed. It really isn’t that difficult. The league doesn’t have a ton of trades either.
We’ve got a pretty good number of trades, but I agree that future draft picks should be tradeable. I’m fine with the current rule limiting it to trades of next year’s picks.
I’m experiencing a weird dichotomy right now, especially after going back and re-reading the previous page, specifically searching for Stringer’s name. I like having you in this league Stringer, and will miss you, but I concede that you were pretty clear at the end of last season:
That last one really takes the cake: The commissioner bailed on the league early in the season and he won the championship.
So back to my personal dichotomy: I’m not really into large changes to the league rules, BUT I’d actually be okay with (and pretty excited for) a complete redraft/reset of the league. If that crazy idea were to happen, we could hammer out better rules now that we’ve seen how they work in practice.
Also, regardless if we do minor adjustments or a wholesale inaugural redraft, losing two players could be handled as simply as switching to a 10-team league with 2 divisions of 5 teams. All players from VarlosZ and Stringer could simply enter the draft.
EDIT: It may be worth pointing out that my team is finally starting to turn the corner from very bad to middle of the pack, so I’m perfectly content to stick with what we have, maybe do some minor tweaking to the rules, then either bring in two more owners or switch to 10 teams and soldier on. That would totally work for me, and I’ll be excited for the coming season. But I would be more excited to spend July figuring out new rules for a fresh start, gathering excited owners to participate, and planning out my strategy for a new inaugural draft with a yahoo live draft. Maybe this time I won’t sleep through the first five rounds with no pre-ranking!
It’s not that shocking that he won the league; Beef was updating his gameday roster day-to-day. Granted, he wasn’t dipping into the FA pool but from what I recall most of the worthwhile waiver pickups were done by the time he left.
I definitely don’t want to start over - the longer this one can go, the better, I think. But I’d definitely be up for participating in a second dynasty league, especially if there’s some sort of change in the way it works that sets it apart from this league.
Cutting down 2 teams if we have to isn’t a bad idea, it’d be a one time parity mechanism with the bottom teams getting access to some very valuable players. But I’ll be talking to potential replacements to see how that goes. The SDMB isn’t as active as it used to be - most of the dedicated fantasy players are already in this league. But there are a few potential recruits I have in mind.
I like the idea of cutting two teams and releasing their players into the free agent pool, that would add a new twist to this years draft. There’d be some very hard decisions to make about cutting marginal players from your team in order to not only pick up rookies, but also the players from the contracted teams.
I’d be up for a second dynasty league. As of now, I"m down to two only two leagues, this one and a money league that I’ve been in for also about ten years. This damn night shift makes getting to live drafts almost impossible.
I can’t say I’m thrilled about releasing all of two teams’ players into the free agent pool, when my team is finally competitive after years of rebuilding. But it could definitely give the league as a whole a shot in the arm.
Don’t worry, I’m sure I’ll find a way to screw up drafting the free agents just as well as I screw up drafting rookies!
I think releasing two teams’ worth of players is a profoundly terrible idea. The league began as fairly as possible with a draft, and it has been up to the decisions of owners from that point. But that sort of dumb luck to back into free, proven superstars because you happened to be bad at the exact right time would alter the course of the rest of the league forever. Shit, you’re telling me all that work I did to make my team better was actually to my detriment? That’s a hell of a pill to swallow.
Then we’re left with a 10-team league, which are boring and generally worse than 12-team leagues. And you can’t ever go back to 12 after contraction. So you find out too late that it makes the end of the bench decision making even worse than it supposedly is now. And you can’t ever have another redraft like that to even the chances of the next generation of shitty teams… I hate that idea as much as is possible. It can’t be hard to find a couple dedicated owners to take over a championship team and a perennial contender/former champion.
Fuck, even the* mere suggesting *of such an idea is going to completely fuck up the upcoming season. Nobody will want to trade draft picks now if suddenly they don’t have to decide which rookie is the least risky and they can just take a superstar in their prime. Nobody will consider any trade until this clusterfuck gets sorted, and who knows how long that will take? It’s July. We haven’t even touched on how the rules for the draft need to be straightened out so we don’t have a repeat of last year.
I’m sure you’re not talking about me here, but that’s OK, because you’re absolutely talking about me right here.
And I agree with Jules, this is a terrible idea.
Between retirements and regressions, my team is a complete shitshow right now. I am very much expecting to finish #12 this season. But I absolutely don’t want to cheat and restock my team with studs with a vanished Varlos and a very frustrated Stringer. That wouldn’t be fair to everyone else or myself (I’m pretty proud of the fact that I was one of the few great teams for the entire history of the league even though I never got a championship).
I also can’t imagine cutting down rosters by five players and I’m continually baffled by people who find the draft complicated. It’s not as straightforward as it could be, but who has which pick has always been pretty clear to me.
Though I will say that whoever suggested that picks need to be “locked in” before the draft starts was right on the money. No more trading last picks. If someone trades too many picks and they don’t have enough picks left to get up to 25, too bad, they’ll have to do it with FAAB money.
Rosters should stay where they’re at.
I’m indifferent to the future pick trading, but if it means we don’t lose a player or two I’m fine with it.
Jules makes a fair point.
Would it be possible to do something similar to an auction “draft” just for the two rosters’ worth of players? Everyone gets the same money to use so it’d be even footing for everyone. We could do it in early August or something. (Cursory searching led me to draftysports.com, but I can’t tell if it’s free or not. Probably not.)
The problem is the other side of that trade. If someone trades away too many picks, that means someone else traded FOR too many picks. That other person won’t have enough slots in the draft to actually make their draft picks, nor enough roster slots to physically hold all their draft picks even if we let them get a “free” free agent pick after the draft in lieu of their last pick.
Logistically, that person will absolutely have to drop someone from their roster no matter what, getting nothing in return from it. If I have 7 picks but only 6 roster slots to put them into, I have to drop one of those picks. There’s simply no way around that. And if I drop a player instead of a draft pick, then I had 8 draft picks and 7 spots and it’s the same issue.
The way we deal with that is to force the other person to include their last pick in the trade. As explained, they can’t use that last pick anyway, and at the same time it lets the first player fill all their spots.
I’d be fine with two separate drafts, one for the free agents and then the regular draft for the rookies.
Also, is there a way the league could continue should we wake up one day and find the SDMB has been shut down? There’s always a chance that someone at the new owners of the Reader will develop a case of manageritis and unilaterally shut down the SDMB even though I think we fly pretty far below the radar.
The email address I use with the league is one that I only use for fantasy sports, so I check it daily during football and baseball seasons as well as the month or so leading up to those seasons.
We should try to replace the two teams first & foremost (provided Varlos doesn’t come back). Perhaps looking outside the Board at irl friends.
We should be able to replace people. Just discussing ideas and contingencies. I sent out some feelers.
Also waiting to hear back from Yahoo support to recover full commissioner access.
I’d be interested in taking over a dynasty team, though from reading prior pages it seems like there needs to be some streamlining of some of the rules (or at least an easy explanation for a new owner stepping in).
Just to offer some instant reactions.
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Reducing to 10 teams is in fact a irrevocable move and frankly should be only done as a last resort. I would probably advocate for a total reboot if that were the circumstance.
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The trading situation is totally fucked up in this league. My memory isn’t good enough to remember the precise details (and I’m too lazy to reread the thread at this hour) but I do think we need to stop allowing trades of picks altogether. It WAY WAY unbalancing. A stacked team already has a huge advantage due to the limitations of a dynasty, and they can profit from these pick trades in a unfair way.