Projected cuts:
Brandon Coleman
Jacquizz Rodgers
Tion Green
Paxton Lynch
Matt Prater
That will leave me with three draft picks. I’m looking to move up in the first round, so if you want any of the following (or my second round pick) make me an offer:
And by any of the following, I mean any except Hunt, Hopkins, Hill or Cooks.
Any updates? It’s hard to believe the Hall of Fame game comes up later this week.
Sorry, had a busy week, I’ll get busier on getting things all sorted.
Hey guys I’m Charles. Looks like I’ve played with most of you in the other leagues through the years. I’m excited to take over, I’ve wanted in for a while.
Somebody point me to a primer on the rules and etc please.
I read above the idea of pooling the two teams and drafting and that’s fine, or I’m happy to take the better team too.
As to other rule changes I clearly can’t have much of an opinion do you guys work it out.
Looking forward to getting up to speed.
Overly Sentimental has been with us for like 10 years now in various SDMB leagues and I know he’s reliable and he’s wanted to get in this league for a while. He started with us way back at the beginning of the auction league in 2007 and has played in several SDMB leagues since then. He didn’t come from the boards originally but IIRC he was the roommate of someone who was in that league who volunteered to fill in for an empty slot, but since then has played with us a lot. I know he’s a reliable player and hopefully since this league is more chatty than the rest, he’ll be more active on the boards with us.
I like the idea of having the new players drafting from the combined player pools of the absent players, so I think we’ll end up going that way. The ABBAABBAA format seems like a pretty decent solution. We’ll make sure that’s cool with whoever grabs the last slot, which I’ll be working on.
Welcome, Overly Sentimental. Glad to have you aboard! I’ve seen you around, and you’re a welcome addition to the league. I’m sure we’ll talk more as I try to finally achieve my goal of trading my entire roster in one season.
My advice for new owners:
Running backs might be a trap. They’re few and far between, so they always go early in the 1st round, often as reaches. Sometimes extreme reaches. That leaves the premiere receivers to fall to late in the 1st round. I suspect this is part of the reason teams (like mine) have difficulty crawling out of the gutter. We keep reaching for running backs early in the first thanks to parity draft order, while the good teams get the star receivers in the bottom of the 1st and just get better.
I think it even makes sense beyond good or bad luck in that this league carries over for long stretches of time. If you successfully draft a stud running back you might get 4 years out of him, while someone drafting a stud receiver could get twice that. So the guy drafting the receiver gets more overall value for years to come than the guy getting the running back, even if both end up being total studs.
Also, kickers are about as worthless here as any other league, but defenses have real value. You want at least 2 defenses for bye weeks and bad matchups, and with 12 teams that’s 24 defenses gone, leaving only a half dozen bottom of the barrel choices in the free agent pool. And unlike kickers, the scoring system here means that good defenses can put up monster numbers.
In the end, I think quarterback is the single most important position in this league. I’d say QB > WR > RB > DEF > TE > K. But keep in mind that I suck horribly, so take all of my analysis with a grain of salt.
EDIT: Also, welcome Chuck. I remember when you first joined the SDMB to fill a roster spot in a league I was part of, though I can’t for the life of me remember what league that was. Possibly the (now defunct?) auction league. (EDIT: Er, sorry, welcome Charles. I remember you going by Chuck back then.)
Welcome, OS!
I’ll disagree with Ellis to an extent. QBs are important because there are only so many and people tend to roster three or four. In a 12-team league, that means every single startable QB is going to be rostered, plus virtually every early-round rookie sitting behind an aging veteran. However, passing TDs only count for four points and QB scoring is also depressed by the 0.5 PPR format.
So you don’t need a great QB to win the league; I had the highest scoring team last year streaming Matt Ryan and Jameis Winston, and picked up Nick Foles off waivers in December. But if you don’t have at least a decent QB, you are sunk. I had three lost years from 2010-2012 where Matt Schaub was my #1 QB.
The large roster size allows owners to roster 3 or 4 QBs, making this very different from a standard 12 team league. Usually in 12 team leagues, you’d roster one stud QB or two middle of the middle road guys and play the matchup. The waiver wire for QBs can be quite slim pickings in this league should you have injuries and bye weeks.
The first week of preseason starts tomorrow. Do we have the second new owner and is there a plan for the redraft of the two teams yet? Not trying to be pushy, but it’s easier to look at trades once we know who’s on each roster.
Just heard back from someone actually. I invited Ol’Gaffer - he’s been part of the all-pro league for years now, he’s pretty active, and he regularly wins that league, he’s a very good fantasy player, and he’s been around the boards for almost two decades.
Sorry to anyone else who was interested in joining - I prioritized a steady history of fantasy participation on the board for new invites since this league thrives on stability in the long term.
Are both new owners (Ol’Gaffer and Overly Sentimental) cool with the idea of splitting up the two absent owner rosters and holding an in-thread draft to form your team? I guess I should go ahead and start this next year’s thread.
Gentlemen.
I’m Jay, looking forward to mixing it up with y’all. Let’s get it going. The in thread draft works for me, although I’m a bit limited during west coast work hours and I’m travelling tomorrow night (Thursday).
Ol’Gaffer
Jay
Here’s what the combined draft pool would be for the new owners. Rosters are 25 spots, Starting rosters are QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, WR/TE flex, W/R flex, K, DEF and then 15 bench slots. We do have 2 IR slots to use in the season, which means rosters can occasionally exceed 25 players, but at the start of the new year you’ll have to cut it down to 25. You can cut as many players as you want in time for the rookie/free agent draft. You get as many draft picks as you have empty roster spots up to 25. So if you have 25 players, cut 3 players, you’ll have a first, second, and third round pick in the draft.
QB
Cam Newton
DeShaun Watson
Jared Goff
Matthew Stafford
Tyrod Taylor
WR
Odell Beckham Jr
Antonio Brown
Randall Cobb
Emmanuel Sanders
Michael Crabtree
DeVante Parker
Paul Richardson
DaVante Adams
Robby Anderson
Kelvin Benjamin
Corey Coleman
Sammy Watkins
Josh Doctson
Tyrell Williams
Allen Hurns
Taywan Taylor
John Ross
Malcolm Mitchell
RB
LeSean McCoy
Alvin Kamara
Duke Johnson Jr
CJ Anderson
Theo Riddick
Johnathan Stewart
CJ Prosise
Giovanni Bernard
Rex Burkhead
Rod Smith
Javorious Allen
Malcolm Brown
TE
Greg Olsen
Zach Ertz
Coby Fleener
Ed Dickson
AJ Derby
Chares Clay
K
Stephen Gostkowski
Giorgio Tavecchio
Kai Forbath
DEF
Baltimore
Carolina
New England
Tampa Bay
Jacksonville
So if we do a combined draft for the new owners, how will you decide which owner gets which draft slot in the upcoming league draft? If it is supposed to be based on last year’s results, both neither owner has last year’s team, what’s the best solution?
Good question. We’re talking about the #9 and #12 picks, so neither are premium picks, which makes things less consequential.
If we were to follow an ABBAABBAA format, do you think A or B is more valuable (In this case, OBJ is likely the #1 pick)? Whichever one we decide is more valuable could get the #12 pick and the other one the #9. It’s not perfect but I think it’s a workable enough solution for a rare event that doesn’t really hurt anyone.
I’m open to ideas. I do think the draft, even if it’s flawed, is a good idea to give people a chance to give their teams identities. I know you didn’t get that chance and had to sculpt your team the hard way. Do you object to the idea?
We could snake just those two to lessen the impact:
Team A gets pick 9 in odd rounds (1, 3, 5…) and pick 12 in even rounds (2, 4, 6)
Team B gets the opposite.
Or make it super simple: Flip a coin.
Make the draft picks part of what you draft along with the players from the past rosters. So you can choose to take OBJ, AB, or the #9 pick, etc.
Complicated, but clever.
That could be workable. We’d just calculate the potential picks up for grabs (9, 12, 18, 24, etc) and then allow them to be draftable. Whenever someone’s roster hits 25, they’re done. That way they’d be making a choice much like we do predraft in terms of how many players and how many draft picks to have to add up to 25.
They’d have to cut players anyway - without that idea, they’d draft their 25 players, and then cut some for draft picks. This bypasses that by allowing them to make their selection of players and draft picks all at once, but giving them more flexibility in creating their team.
I like it.
Love it.
It’s moot now, but I assumed that they’d just stop drafting at 20 players (or whenever they wanted to stop) and would get the rest of their slots as draft picks.
To the two new guys, typically people draft around 4-5 players each year, though 3 isn’t unusual. (2 would be unusual but not unheard of.) Most drafts go 6-7 rounds, but those last couple rounds end up with only 1 or 2 people participating.
Drafting the draft picks will obviously go in order, and I envision it turning into a bit of a game of chicken. The first one to take a draft pick will likely start a run on draft picks.
When selecting draft picks, let’s keep it simple with “#.#” notation: 1.9, 1.12, 2.9, 2.12, etc…