SDMB Fantasy Football early discussion

Ah, interesting. Trying to get people to waste money before your favored steal comes up?

The more I think about it, the more I’d like to give this a shot. I kinda went nuts a few years ago and had like 6 fantasy teams… it obscured things so much that I couldn’t watch a game and know who to root for. Since I decided to only go with one… but maybe I could do 2 without muddying things up too much.

Maybe I’ll start a thread today to gauge interest levels from people who might want to do this. Since we’d be filling out the league settings after the draft, rather than before, we wouldn’t have to commit to any specific number of teams except that it’d have to be an even number.

I started an interest list for a possible auction draft FF league here: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8850034

Every year greater and greater schemes are dreamed up, and never implemented. And I have remained happy. But it looks like there is momentum to actually change, and I gotta pipe up and say “Get off my lawn!” er no. that’s not it. it’s “I’m against change!”

I vote we keep He Hate Me the way it is. Keep the new fangled scoring tricks to the new leagues.

Is anyone in for a keeper league? I’ve been looking for a stable keeper league with people that converse and trade for close to a decade now.

Of course, I’m sure you guys are nice and bloated with leagues at this point.

I have my one.

I’m not sure what this is all referring to - this thread has talked about creating new leagues, not changing any old ones.

The auction fantasy thread so far hasn’t gotten any replies. If any of you are interested in the idea please post and get the discussion started.

My bad. Reading is a breeze if you don’t sweat comprehension.

How did you go about putting someone at the bottom of the yahoo-managed waiver list? If I understand your system correctly, after player was declared awarded, the team it was awarded to would go in and manually add that person to his roster as a free agent, right? And adding a free agent won’t put them at the bottom of yahoo’s waiver list. So how did you put them there?

Yeah, sorry, guys. I’d better back out. What with the wedding coming up and all these trips to Colorado and stuff, I won’t really have the time to be competitive in several leagues. So, I’ll just stick to mine and play some throw away leagues for funsies.

Have a fun season, everyone! And GET 'EM, Ellis!

You can set waiver priority manually under Commissioner Tools => Team Management => Edit Waiver Priority.

I would compile the list of all claims for the week, figure out who got whom, edit the waiver priority accordingly, and then post the awarded players list to the league forum.

Unfortunately, we can’t run an SDMB salary cap football league from yahoo. As far as I can tell, there are no private leagues - if you sign up, you’re competing with all of yahoo as a whole. If there’s enough interest perhaps we could sign up for another free site that does salary cap football, if there is one. Anyone ever done it?

Anyway, for those of you interested in our pick em and survival leagues, the thread is here:

Looks like the auction draft isn’t getting much interest, but I know a few people on this thread said they’d give it a shot, so if you’re interested post to that thread and maybe it’ll stir up more interest: SDMB Auction fantasy football league - Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share - Straight Dope Message Board

You guys might also be interested in the salary cap FF league here: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8870372

Check out the thread if you aren’t familiar with what it is.

Ellis, when is your draft?

The more I think about defensive return yards the more I think it’ll end up being a normalizing factor (brings defenses closer to the average) and a reward for bad defenses. As I said, the team giving up lots of scores is going to generally be the team that gets the most return yards because they’re returning a lot of kicks - so a team getting its ass kicked in this manner shouldn’t have their bad play rewarded by extra points from kick returns.

If there was a way to make it based on efficiency (say, -1 point per kickoff return attempt, and then 20 yards per point) it would be a qualitative evaluation of a team’s special teams - but when it’s just raw numbers it rewards the number of kickoff returns. Or if there were a way strictly to score defensive returns (interception/fumble/blocked kick returns) without throwing kick returns into it, I’d go for that too.

As it is, though, I was considering removing it. Would anyone object to that? I’ll still leave in defensive and return TDs, just remove the yardage reward.

That’s always been my take on it.

Yeah, that’s a fair point about return yards.

9/3/07 @ 10:30pm Eastern.

There is the fact that a team that’s giving up a lot of points is getting penalized for giving up the points in the first place, though. Look at San Francisco and Detroit vs. say New England and Chicago.

That’s my point. That team should be punished for giving up a lot of points. Given points to kick returns mitigates that punishment - while every score against them does make their “points allowed” score worse, it also gives them a chance to get extra points via return yards. They shouldn’t be rewarded at the same time they’re being punished.

I wish there was a way to reward defensive returns - interceptions, fumbles, and blocked kicks - without throwing regular kickoff returns into the mix. Or even a way to reward efficiency - the average yards per return - rather than the raw return numbers. But there isn’t, so I was thinking the best thing to do would be to chuck that scoring category altogether. It doesn’t really add anything in that form.

They aren’t, is my point. Giving points for returns rewards a positive stat. Taking points away for points allowed punishes a negative one. It just isn’t the case that there’s a straight line correlation between points allowed and return yards. For one thing, better defenses generally force more punts. Punt returns count too, albeit for less.

Maybe the comparison wasn’t that clear. NE and Chicago amassed a lot of return yards without giving up a lot of points, and so were rewarded even more than teams that gave up very few points but didn’t return that well – Jacksonville, Miami, Baltimore (although Baltimore did lots of other things well and was rewarded for those). And San Francisco and Detroit racked up return yards, but they gave up ridiculous numbers of points and didn’t really do anything else that well, and so they were almost worthless – they were only better than lousy defenses who also didn’t return as well as they did. So if you pick a good defense that returns well, you’re set. If you pick a good defense that doesn’t return well, you’re less well off, but still better than if you picked a terrible defense that returns well, even though the terrible defenses get a slight boost from having more return opportunities. I don’t see a structural problem there.

Hey guys,

since it seems many of you are FF addicts and quite knowledgeable about the game I thought I would hijack this with some questions about my upcoming draft.

I am in a PPR league (1pt per) that is standard scoring (6pts all TDs). We start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1 flex (R/W/T), 1 TE, K, DST. I am drafting 11th out of 12 teams. RBs will be taken ahead of me and maybe Peyton. My questions are:

  1. If Peyton falls to 11th do I take him regardless? So I go QB-RB-RB-WR-WR-WR/RB for the 1st 5 rounds?

  2. Do I let Peyton go? Go RB-RB-WR-WR?

  3. In PPR is it EVER a good idea to go WRs in rounds 1 and 2? Relying on sleeper/young RBs? If so who do you think are the top 2 WRs?

  4. If I do go RB who is your guess as to the best RB left at 11th?

For pick #11, look for Brian Westbrook or Reggie Bush, but don’t hold your breath.

In a league where you can start three RBs, I just can’t justify drafting Peyton in the first. Honestly, I wouldn’t draft him in the second, either. You ideally want three quality RBs, but you won’t be able to find a good one in round 3.

I’d start with RB-RB, then take WRs until/unless most of the decent QBs are all taken.