SDMB, give me strength... or I'm surrounded by idiots.

Some months ago there was a gruesome crime here in Thailand, two young British tourists were murdered on the island of Koh Tao. Long story short, two Myanmar immigrant workers were arrested after a mostly Keyston Cops style chase and are now facing trial.

And boy, did that piss some people off…

You see, at the very start of the investigation, the son of a local big fish (or a rather small fish in a small bowl, but never mind) was named as a suspect (among other unrelated people), he turned out to be in Bangkok at the time of the crimes but it was too late, Thailand, rich dad’s kid getting away with murder thanks to a vast network of corruption, that’s a juicy narrative; Burmese staff… meh, so off they went.
Of course it was all a stitch up, the Burmese are scapegoats to protect the Rich Dad’s Boy, the police is in it, the hospitals that did the DNA testing (in Thailand and Singapore) are in it, the UK police that came to review the case are in it, everyone that is not pointing a finger at Rich Dad’s Boy is in it, even me! Yay!

Without not one single shred of evidence the most fantastic scenarios unfold, like the Thai Military Junta and the UK government colluding in the conspiracy, 10 million dollars in payoffs, a reign of terror on a superficially relaxed island and amazing feats of evidence tampering, like replacing the semen from one of the victim’s body with the “scapegoat’s” one two weeks* after* the body had already been shipped to the UK.
To hear this people talking you get the feeling that Rich Dad lives in a Bond style island fortress subjugating the population into a complicit silence and blackmailing/bribing people in the highest places.

It’s like being cast away in Bizarro World, you can practically hear the hissing when asking for citations, logic, evidence, anything at all. I had this thrown at me as “proof” that Rich Dad’s Boy is the killer, because, you see, the one on top (Rich Dad’s Boy in Bangkok a few hours after the murders, too soon to possibly had been on the island) “walks just like the suspect caught on CCTV near the crime scene”, I presume they refer about that newfangled bipedal locomotion kids are doing this days, knuckle dragging being, apparently, the conspiracists preferred gait. Of course that CCTV of the guy in Bangkok was “photoshopped” too, you know?

I’m now in the employ of Rich Dad’s shielding the family, it must be so because I’m the suspicious guy that keep telling people to try and stick to the known facts and wait to see how the play a part in the trial and of course that means I have ulterior motives. I wonder if Rich Dad is going to let me look around the islands secret lair submarine pen?
In any case I hope the minions in charge of security are good shots because the calls for collecting names of “conspirators” and meting out vigilante justice are already out.

Anyway, last round of idiocy has me arguing with a guy that claimed that a pair of pants, owned by the male victim, stained not with blood, that the police, after examining his room, put in his luggage is proof that they were planting evidence to frame up a friend of the victim.
Asking repeatedly how can anyone be found guilty of a brutal double murder by producing as evidence the victim’s dirty pants from his own luggage I’m met with the usual insults, evasions and an elaborate plan that was thwarted by the DNA evidence coming from the other framing operation contradicting the first framing operation… or something like that.

All that following two guys that were “pretty sure” the police had planted the bloody pants that belonged to the suspect in the suspect’s luggage, after asking them, repeatedly to offer a citation, one of the muppets offered a cite were it clearly stated that, as I mentioned previously, it was the victim’s own pants, stained not with blood that were placed in the victim’s own luggage, that was supposed to be the Muppet B “Aha! Busted!” moment and when I pointed out that his own cite clearly disproved his assertion… well, of course not, and of he goes to talk about some other “facts”.

All this in a thread about the families of the victims releasing a statement pleading people in social media to put aside speculative theories and let the evidence in court decide the case. This was received by most, of course, with derision; it wasn’t really the parents statement, you see they are

I’m gaining some knowledge in the psychology of lynching mobs though; it’s enough to make one lose faith in humanity, but as I said to one of the conspiracists wanting to shut me up (Paraphrasing Edmund Burke) All that is necessary for the triumph of bullshit is that good men say nothing

Do you get this when wondering off the SDMB into the World of “normal” forums? This is a rather unique environment, isn’t it? *Pets the forum header affectingly. *

Sweet mother of mercy, Pants for Brains is back at it now…

For every controversy, there is usually an explanation that fits the known facts better than the truth.

Although you are correct - the SDMB is somewhat less subject to looney conspiracy theories. Only somewhat, however - Truthers and Birthers fare poorly here, but “Diebold fixed the machines/Reagan staged the October Surprise/Bush is going to invade Iran/Rove planted the National Guard memos” rather better.

It’s fun as long as you don’t take it too seriously.

Regards,
Shodan

Well, it needs to be taken a bit seriously once things like “I’m collecting names”, “vigilante justice” and “you’ll have to answer for that” start to pop up.

Some people really don’t take it lightly when someone points out to them that opinions are not facts. :dubious:

What happened to the Red Bull heir who ran down a policeman, then fled the scene leaving the officer to die? Did they manage to convict him? If not, then I can understand a certain amount of pigheaded cynicism among the populace.

No, he still roaming free; of course it’s right to be indignant about it because the facts of the case are incontrovertible, there’s nothing wrong with forming opinions based on facts. That a rich kid got (or is getting away with murder) does not mean that one has to look around to frame up other rich (and not even that rich) kid to even things out.
What I’ve been arguing with people about is to stick to the facts, use logic and reason to form their opinions, because when things like calls for vigilante justice and claims that I’m part of some large conspiracy are made, reason is obviously in short supply.

Aren’t you a video artist? We know who did the photoshopping!

We’re having a rash of morons calling for torture and murder, sadly, but yeah, there are some aspects of the “real world” that take serious getting used to. Such as people who can’t touch type but can’t be arsed to look at the keyboard either and then get huffy when people ask for clarification (in email. Company email. Not an MMO’s chat, not even corporate chat. Corporate emails written as if the right hand has spent several lines being one key further left than it should have)

Actually, someone already accused me of “photoshopping” a video. :smack:
I guess I can now add my work at ConspCorp, Visual Effects division, to my curriculum vitae.

You’re just a shill for Big Rich Kid Inc.

For what it’s worth, I found it disgusting, the undisguised contempt the Thais showed for the Burmese guest workers in their country. Later on, in Burma, I found that the Burmese are, on the whole, nicer and more civilized than the Thais.

Uh… haha?

Oh, certainly, racism and exploitation of one level or another is very common in Thailand, and pretty much all of Asia for that matter.
I think things are changing for the better now, there have been some progress in reducing slavery in the fishing industry… yay.:dubious:

On the other hand, I’m not sure were you’ve been in Thailand, but there’s a big difference in beheaviour between tourism hotspots and the country in general.

And the Lao and Cambodian workers. Hardly a week goes by without at least one report of some Lao maid being freed who was locked inside her rich-bitch employer’s house in Bangkok in slave conditions. I’ve noticed that if you scratch the surface of just about any ongoing criminal activity in Southeast Asia, you’re likely to find a Thai, usually a wealthy businessman/politician or a military officer. Endangered-species trafficking, illegal logging, drugs – the list is long.

You have to admit, those little baby-faced Burmese seem unlikely to have overpowered the two Brits so easily. And it certainly would not be the first time that police planted evidence.

Oh Sam, phrenology went out of style a long time ago. :wink:

While I don’t put anything past the Thai police I really don’t think there is a cover up, the most damning evidence is the semen DNA, it’s just plain impossible that they planted that in a body that was sent back to the UK three weeks before the men were arrested. They are crooked, but not enough to bend space-time!

Some say they can just white-out the DNA report to say whatever they want, but then that would need the complicity of the UK authorities because, AFAIK, the norm is to conduct a postmortem.

Well, I’m not at all convinced those two little Burmese kids are the perps. I’m not saying I think it was the gangster’s son – although through a friend from Boston who recently spent 10 days scuba diving on that island and nearby, it would seem every single person down there does believe it was the gangster’s son – but I’m doubtful it was those boys.

The public have a huge amount of distrust for the police, and there are good reasons for that. They have regularly planted false evidence and pushed through convictions of parties whom they knew to be innocent. Ever hear of the Sherry Ann Duncan case from the 1980s? A tragic miscarriage of justice. And the horrific mismanagement of the still-unsolved murder of British backpacker Kirsty Jones in Chiang Mai in 2000? And in high-profile cases of the murder of a foreigner, they are desperate for anyone other than a Thai to have been the killer.

Those are just two examples among many. So don’t be too hard on the locals when they distrust the police. They have good reason not to. The Thai police are not here to “protect and serve,” at least not to protect and serve the public.