Bolding mine. I guess I better clear this up right now. I would have earlier, except I thought that NAF outing me was sufficient. I’m KidV on the offboard, management here hasn’t gotten around to changing my name over for me yet. I apologise for the confusion.
Regarding Day One discussion - I’m in favor of it, I thought I made that clear. Yes, we run the risk of power roles outing themselves, which is balanced by the chance of scum outing themselves. If we don’t talk, we get no info whatsoever. Until we have the opportunity to evaluate a given players’ scumminess, talking about game setup is better than nothing.
And speaking of evaluating a given players scumminess… Ped, you’re pinging me already. You’ve misrepresented me, pulled your vote back under very little pressure, and smudged NBC, and we’re less than a small-d day into the game.
20%? Well, I have a guess about what you’re referring to. Kind of a ‘win-more’ bonus power?
In any event, if your role really is Board Doctor, then we’re a little disadvantaged by the fact that our doc isn’t a protective role, but a discussion prolonger. I don’t really see the advantage you’ve given us by role revealing this early, even if your power is of mediocre utility.
I think it’s unlikely you’re lying about your rolename, but even if everything is as you say it is, what possible benefit do you think you’ve given the town by coming out now? And you can see the bennies for scum by allowing a half-assed role reveal, allowing the ‘true’ power role pool to shrink, yes?
Well, I can see it being more helpful to Town (assuming it’s a Town power in fact, and that the conditions which are left undefined are met) if we know that it’s an option.
If you are going to accuse people of “putting words in their mouth” when interpreting other people’s posts this is going to be a very quiet game. Admittedly, my reading wasn’t completely accurate, as Hal Briston later clarified. My apologies to Hal. However, I sincerely believe that it is important for players to give their feelings on subjects and will continue to do so.
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My point remains valid, I didn’t think pedescribe’s position was beneficial to us. I didn’t necessarily think it was scummy, just a bad tactic. However, it seemed weird when ped jumped on someone who disagreed and justified it with a desire to promote discussion.
a rookie mistake? We have evidence that there is some bastard modding going on (concealed roles, unannounced day end) and you are accusing the people who want to err on the side of caution as rookies?? There are other avenues to promote discussion that aren’t also fishing trips.
I’m so torn here. I want to move my vote, but my desires to catch out the first-time-player-scum-third-vote-is-a-scumtell and my desires to leap onto a lynch-train gathering steam.
Four votes on a player is a little much when we don’t know if there’s more than one day left in this Day, and I don’t know how much I really buy the third vote deal, even if it does seem to hold some water when the vote is placed by a new player.
I’m comfortable with being vote 3. My reading of the rules suggests that it is mere vote majority at cutoff time, so we don’t have to worry about quick-lynches and pile-ons. Rapier, you have read the vote count and your vote has not moved, which in my mind lends your vote equal weight as mine.
I feel compelled to distance myself from him because Hero from Sector 7G, in post #209, implied that we were connected. We aren’t.
Fair enough. I’m just incredibly wary of people trying to keep everyone from a certain topic. And I’ve really said all that I noticed already, so I won’t be bringing it up again.
Wow I feel like an idiot. Okay, sorry I talked down to you. That was unecessary and rude, and I’ll remember name descriptions next time I play!
I pulled my vote back because it was rash, not because I was pressured. It was a weak vote, but there was talk of vote early and vote often, so I did. I’ve already addressed the NBC thing earlier.
It was an idiotic thing to say. But I don’t like to err on the side of caution. From my experience, it leads to losses. For example: In the Gastard Mod game, some people floated the idea of revealing the sent roles. They didn’t. Town lost, to a role that was a heavily tweaked version of one sent in. Perhaps the extra info wouldn’t have helped the town, but it could have. In YSI, there was worry about revealing the Dossiers, thinking that there was some sort of hidden trap. They revealed them anyway. The very next day, the revelations trapped a scum. In T2, the town was cautious over lynching NAF1138, because they thought he might be the Jester. Instead, they lynched…the jester.
From what I see, being cautious opens us up to manipulation by the scum.
As for who I’m suspicious of now; I’ll do a reread after dinner and see what I see.
The problem isn’t reaching some arbitrary number of votes. It’s that the third vote is kind of a floodgate vote. One or two votes on a player mostly get ignored. Vote three is the point that tips someone into real danger of being a lynch candidate. Someone on another online mafia site came up with a mathematical model that showed third voters were disproportionately scum.
Again, as of this moment I am not moving my vote. The only way I know how to play this game is to question players and put pressure on them, and I use my vote to emphasize my words.
The “third vote = scum tell” meme comes from before I started playing. In early games here, folks contended that the third vote was more likely to be scum-motivated than others. Thats since been discarded, because once it’s known, the trend is open to manipulation. Boozy was observing that in your case, it’s valid because as a newcomer to these here parts, you wouldn’t have been aware that the trend (if it exists) was exposed. I didn’t ever agree with him on that, I was just pointing out to Zsofia that you were the third vote, not me.
Oh, no worries, I didn’t feel like you were condescending me at all. But comparison of current and previous game play is a valid tool, and I would have felt dishonest to let you continue thinking I was a new player.
Yeah, that worked really well the last time I played
And yikes, I don’t know what to do with Santo’s claim; if this were a remotely normal game, I’d be inclined to believe it, since it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for scum to draw attention to themselves right off the bat, especially with a role that invites a counterclaim. But then again, this is not a remotely normal game, and for all we know there could be a Suicide Bomber role or God knows what else…
I can already tell this game is going to make my head hurt :smack:
