What’s escrow?
As for Zeriel, he’s certainly playing aggressivly. But I’m not sure that makes him scum.
Aggressively and carelessly.
You knew, though, that it wasn’t just you and her - the rest of us would be watching and voting.
The reason my vote is still on you, though, is that after your weak gambit you tried to call her for Town. IF she wasn’t a Night actor playing dumb, the fact that she didn’t do anything at night is certainly not an indication that she’s Town. She would have had to be either a role with powers that she actually used last Night or a scum killer, not just vanilla scum. If she were vanilla scum and you pulled that gambit, ESPECIALLY since you got who she was wrong to start with, she would have responded the same way. Yet you decided she was Town?
I’m not saying she is or isn’t Town, but you sure as hell don’t know. All you could even claim to know is that you believe, due to her reaction, that she didn’t actually do anything last Night, be she scum or be she town.
We asked him to contact us within a certain deadline, which has not yet passed. I don’t think we should look for a replacement until the deadline has passed.
Ahh, the mood swings one goes through when catching up (FTR, I’m here during my workday – 11-7 EST…other than, I’m probably not at my desk). From the time of my last post it went from “WTF JSexton? That was a gambit?! Forget it, you’re going under the hammer today” to “But it was such a ridiculous gambit, would scum really make a play like that?”
But here’s where you dropped the ball for me:
See, here’s the problem…you’re quite a good player. You’re on a short list of players that when I see a post, my thought is often “Huh…that was smart…wish I’d have picked up on that”.
So, when you pull a move like your gambit, I think “how awfully unlike him”. Then when you deliberately misrepresent what I said, I think “how awfully unlike him…unless he’s scum”. Take a reread of what I actually said. I said that if ok11 came back as scum/PFK, then we could “be pretty sure” that you could be trusted. If she came back as PFK, then you would almost certainly be town. If she came back as scum, then you would probably be town. Probably town, but possibly a busing scumbuddy. So we’re back to you being a smart player – smarter than your quoted line. Of course I could find a way for you to be scum. Your statement makes it sound like the concept of scum busing their buddies is completely foreign to you. Ain’t buying it.
Unvote ok11
Vote JSexton
Yaknow, I’ve been thinking about this offline since the bluff was revealed, and I still don’t know what to think. The reason being, tried to pull a gambit in the most recently ended facebook game that didn’t go over to well. Some background (feel free to skip):
It was a LoTR themed game, modded by Total Lost. My character was GANDALF, who started the game as an investigator. Night 1 and Night 2, I investigated Masons. Another Mason had already been outed. Therefore, I knew who all the Masons were, sans one. FRODO, the ring bearer, and GANDALF were considered the two most powerful roles in the game. I had a “brilliant” idea that I would claim to be the fourth Mason. My hope was that the real fourth Mason would pick up on it, realize what I was doing, and claim to be GANDALF when the time came. Unfortunately, one of the other Masons outed me as a liar before the opportunity presented itself. So, I got bombed by a Mason (Daykilled)… lynch all liars and all.
My point is that my “What the fuck is he doing?!” instincts over rode my “Hmm, maybe he has a point,” instincts. I still don’t like it, but he’s right, it’s not gaining him any town cred, and the only possible benefit would have been to out somebody with a Night action. The reason I don’t like it, in part, is because it could have just as easily been scum trying (or town innocently) to out a role with a night action. I’m going to relabel it as a null, and
**Unvote JSexton **
Oh, and P.S. to Shadow Facts, if you tell me the date that was posted, I’ll look up the date my gambit in the LoTR game was. I’m guessing they’re pretty close to each other, hence the frustration leaking through into multiple games.
At the beginning of the Day, several payers said that they were waiting to hear from Nanook. Now that you’ve heard from him, what are your thoughts? Have we agreed to a Mod kill toDay? I’m for it, and here’s why:
[Metagaming, or “What would Og Do?”]
YesterDay, I was more inclined to believe Nanook, because I thought Og was messing with us, and gave Nanook a role that’s not on the list. So far, every other player who claims to have a role says that their role is on the list. If Og did mess with roles, I think he would have left off more roles, or messed this way with roles that are easier to confirm. I don’t think that Og would have burdened a player so much by giving him both a weird vote requirement as well as a role that’s not on the list.
[/Metagaming]
ToDay, it seems much more likely to me that Nanook lied about his role, either because his real role gives off a really anti-town vibe (e.g Mark Wit, or Troll, as Boozahol Squid, P.I. suggested), or because he didn’t want to get counterclaimed.
If he’s really pro-town, wouldn’t it make more sense for him to just tell us his role/power? It might become less effective when the scum find out about it, but so what? If it’s a choice between being banned and (in the worst case scenario) being powerless, then it’s better to pick powerless. Even if scum kill him at Night, at least our other powers will be safe a little longer.
Could somebody please explain what Nanook claimed to be able to do? My limited understanding is that he can replicate another player’s Night action. If that’s true, then how could he have been blocked? (Being blocked is my interpretation of what he said; I think pedescribe had a different one) If he replicated someone and nothing happened, he should tell us, because that might mean that the person he replicated is town. If he replicated scum, and that’s why there were two kills, he should definitely tell us. Of course, it’s much more likely that the second kill was by a Vig or SK.
I don’t remember Nanook claiming anything, actually–he made an allusion to another game where one of the players had a power that he’d lose if he truthfully roleclaimed, though. I’d appreciate a link to where Nanook claimed to be able to replicate powers–I can’t find that one.
And didn’t we spend the last bit of yesterday and the beginning of today discussing why rampant roleclaims are bad?
I was re-reading and Hal and JSexton are both pinging me, but the last post by ok11 makes me feel comfortable with him getting lynched as well. JSexton’s on the list because the gambit is kinda iffy in my opinion, although he’s not as high as Hal Briston, who’s starting to get a reputation in my eyes as a bandwagon-boarding guy after his votes on NBC yesterDay and the timing of his positions in the ok11 vs. JSexton thing today.
Gut feeling tells me to unban ok11 and ban Hal Briston.
Hero, I always play aggressively and I get less careless with my vote the more sure I am. Cope. FOS means not much. A vote can shake things loose sometimes.
Anyone who has an opinion on Nanook should probably either vote for him or speak up, as if he’s telling the truth he’s going to die toNight otherwise.
er, first sentence of my last post–claiming anything specific, actually, it should read.
And for the love of crap, it’s -el! -el! I dunno who zerial is but it makes me think of Al Bundy with angel wings and that’s just not cool.
I’ve asked repeatedly (directly and indirectly) what Blade Runner was all about. I don’t have time to read that game. I thought he was saying that his power is similar to the one in Blade Runner. Now it turns out his restriction might be similar to the one in that game. How was I supposed to figure that out?
I guess I must have missed this. If Nanook is having a shoe problem, that makes his truculence a little more understandable.
I’m of mixed feelings about the no-vote plan anyway. IF Nanook is Town, and telling the truth about his must-get-voted-or-die condition (and maybe has a post restriction besides?), then the goodies he’s probably got to go with it are groovy. I’m not convinced that he’s telling the truth yet, but the risk to Town if he is is high. Note that Og has already expressed an interest in shaking things up, Nanooks role could be designed to hurt us if we don’t think this through.
Nanook, can you in any way shed further light on your rolename and powers? Are you allowed to answer yes/no questions? Can we talk in metaphor? Semaphor? Morse code? One blink for yes?
I’m about ready to give Nanook a vote for the Day, and let this play out a little farther, but I’ll wait to hear objections first.
I’ve reread the whole JSexton Gambit. Here’s my opinion on the people involved:
Zsofia, Squid, Hal: they seem to have Townie reactions–wondering what JS is accusing, accepting an either-or situation, then negative reaction at the sudden withdrawal of the accusation.
Oredigger, ok: fairly Townie bewilderment.
JSexton: tries one player, when that quickly fails, switches to another. Primary defense is “it’s obvious I’d get heat, so no scum would do that”. Yeah, right. Scum around here are more clever than that. Not a good excuse.
And this exchange:
I’m willing to forgive the gambit itself, but this mischaracterization of another player’s comments is incredibly scummy. I’ll put a vote for this:
ban JSexton
A statement calculated to deceive is a lie for the purposes of this game. We’re smart enough to discern your implication. And Townies are here to get information, not to trick each other. This is the same complaint I had against peeker, and it holds for everyone else too. I’m now more happy with my vote on you. And the only player in the gambit exchange that did not act as a Townie appears to be you.
That’s the trusted third-party (not buyer, not seller) that handles the money and title and the transfer of them. It’s so the two parties can’t renege on their contracts. More reliable than a lawsuit for contract enforcement.
What’s up with the votes on Blaster? What information do you expect to get from his lynch? His contributions are nil. Whatever his alignment, there’s no record to hold against. It’s a waste of a lynch.
Wanted to add no voters and Masons.
NBC : 6 (Santo Rugger, Hal Briston, Pedescribe, Zeriel, JSexton, Nanook o/t North Shore)
Nanook o/t North Shore : 5 (BS PI, Hero from Sector 7G, Peekercpa, Oredigger77, NBC)
DiggitCamara : 2 (ok11, ShadowFacts)
Hero from Sector 7G : 2 (One and Only Wanderers, Total Lost)
Zeriel : 2 (Kat, amrussell)
Kat : 1 (Zsofia)
peekercpa : 1 (Fretful Porpentine)
ok11 : 1 (DiggitCamara)
No Vote : 3 (Rapier42, Blaster Master, Pleonast)
Colors: Unknown, Town, Scum, Claimed Mason
If the Day ends soon and Blaster Master doesn’t respond before then, will he be subbed or Mod killed?
If we’ll get a sub, or if Blaster Master posts something, I’ll unvote.
Knowing his alignment will help to figure out how screwed we are from all these town deaths. If he’s a power role, we’ll know whether his role is on the list, and again, we will be better able to assess the degree to which we’re screwed.
If and when Og takes an action you all will be notified. The goals assigned to you by Og are not easy to achieve. I highly suggest you keep your focus on things under your control.
This is my thinking as well – I’m none too happy with letting Nanook get killed by inaction, at least not until we know a little more. Among other things, if he’s anti-Town, I’m not convinced that he would have revealed his role WHEN he did (after he had already gotten his vote for the day, but not at a time when he was in immediate danger of lynching). It doesn’t make a lot of sense for a PFK-Nanook to speak up at that point, still less for a scum-Nanook who can reasonably expect help from his teammates; it does make sense for a Town player who wants the Town to have enough information about his role to make an informed decision.
(bleached)
Ok, I’m going to have to ask you to back up your statements here. You want to say I bandwagon voted NBC, that’s fine. I wasn’t here for the better part of the Day, and when I returned, the arguments against him (part of which you yourself were making) seemed like the best case. I went with who I saw as scummiest, simple as that.
However, I’d love to hear how you can call “bandwagon” on the ok11/JSexton votes.