Secret Border Patrol Facebook Page

There’s significant civil service protections that are written into law that would have to be navigated by lengthy due process. Also ~90% belong to the National Border Patrol Council, their union, that provides legal representation along with union representation in workplace issues like trying to fire them. Firing them wouldn’t be simple or quick.

It could be tough to walk the line between traditional Democratic support for civil service protection and unions and firing them all. Potentially, it could make winning the midwest union vote and the blue-ish states that swung to Trump back even harder.

Print their names, print their locations, fire every one of them and cancel their pensions. Send them all swordless to Palestine.

ETA: Don’t care how long it takes or how much it costs. Fire them all. While waiting for the paperwork to clear, transfer every motherloving one of them to someplace like Tok, Alaska.

Aside from the aforementioned issue about including “former” agents screwing up your guesswork about “half the agency”, I’m not sure that “participants” and “participated in” are really the right words to describe the level of activity of many group subscribers. I suspect that many of the subscribers never post anything to the group. Quite a few probably don’t even read what’s posted there.

Probably not. Democrats have succeeded at making it virtually impossible to fire rank-and-file .gov employees, and especially over something so trivial as being a member of a private facebook group that had a few people exercising their right to free speech in a way that gets liberals panties in a bunch.

Why? Here are the 13 adjudication guidelines for revoking security clearance:

Which one(s) do you think they violated?

The day that a Democrat presidential candidate makes “mass firing of .gov employees” a part of their platform is the day that I think long and hard about if I’m in the wrong party.

HD you do yourself no favor trying to defend these people.

In terms of possible reasons for termination -

Guideline E - Personal Behavior
Guideline I - Emotional, Mental and Personality Disorders
Guideline J - Criminal Behavior
Guideline K - Security violations

This doesn’t even take us into ICE/CPB code. Firing is the best these people should get. Criminal charges should follow for some of them.

I don’t think firing all 9,500 people (or however many BP people) in a Facebook page just for being members of a page would be fair or legal. Those who posted offensive memes or content, perhaps, but just for being a member - no.

Also, who would be in charge of the firing?

Which ones? For which crime(s)?

Sunny Daze has already warned us about trying to be a voice of reason here. Can’t you see people are in a tizzy? “OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!” is the only acceptable course of action here :rolleyes:

Shit you guys are absurd sometimes. One minute you’re patting yourselves on the back for your “reality-based worldview” and the next minute you’re pining for people to be fired and charged criminally for their membership in a private FB group that said some not-so-nice things about illegal immigrants. We’re not fucking New Zealand here.

You don’t see a problem with strident racists being in charge of processing non-white migrants ? You further don’t see a problem with correlating the fact that there’s a bunch of strident racists working in BP and reports of BP agents brutalizing or even raping migrants in their care ?

…absolutely fucking not.

The United States of America voted the stupidest man on the planet to be their President, and there is a very good chance that in a couple of years they are going to do the very same thing again. We would never do something that stupid over here.

And unlike America we don’t have concentration camps. We’re not fucking America here, thank fuck for that.

Kudos to you. We aspire to follow in your mature and reasoned footsteps.

Not all of us aspire to imprisoning people for wrongthink.

…its interesting you choose to defend Philip Arps, the man who threatenedto hang our Deputy Prime Minister, who filmed himself delivering pigs heads to the Al Noor Mosque, who ran a business that used a white supremacist symbol for its logo and sold his product for $14.88, yet you don’t have a bad word to say about the administration that has seperated parents from children without a system in place to bring them back together, an administration that is responsible for employing people that tell those in detention who are thirsty to “drink out of the toilet”. There are 67 people in jail in America right now for life for selling marijuana. So don’t lecture me about “wrongthink.” We don’t even come close to the depraved hypocrisy of the racist American judicial system.

America is imprisoning people simply for the colour of their skin. You should worry about fixing that before you use **this **thread to talk about a subject and a country you really know nothing about. This thread isn’t about New Zealand.

It’s (at least in part) about whether people should “face recrimination” for exercising their rights to free speech in a way that upsets liberals. Several posters have suggested they deserve to be fired for their membership in a private facebook group that had some posts with off-color humor. At least one poster suggested some of them should be charged criminally. If you can’t see how the example New Zealand has given (where they do actually charge people criminally for politically-incorrect things posted to Facebook) might be relevant to the discussion, I feel pity for you.

…it isn’t “in part.” It isn’t at all.

You live in the United Fucking States of America. The alleged “home of the free.” If you are incapable of rebutting those arguments within the context of the Constitution then maybe you should be rethinking this whole “Great Debates” thing.

Cite?

It isn’t my job to demonstrate something is “relevant to the discussion.” Thats your job. Don’t feel pity for me. Feel pity for yourself that this is the best you can bring to the debate.

I’d encourage you to try re-reading the OP

See post #33

…there is nothing about New Zealand in the OP.

You must be confused. Nobody with any semblance of humanity would characterize a video that showed the slaughter of 51 men, women and children as “politically-incorrect.”

Warning: spoiler describes the shootings at the Mosque.

“Politically-incorrect?” Surely not. That wasn’t what you meant, right?

There is also nothing in that cite that shows Arps was jailed for sharing that video of the slaughter on facebook either.

Care to try again?

This is off-color humor?

“The page also reportedly includes a photo illustration of Ocasio-Cortez giving oral sex in an immigrant detention center, and another of President Trump shoving her face in his crotch.”

This is shameful.

Lol, not at all surprised HD swings in here to defend the Concentration Camp guards. Keep digging your way to Hell, boy!