Little known fact: if you abort a warlock, you’ll see it surrounded in a coccoon of tiger’s blood.
And composting.
See post #21.
No, you said that earlier. But with no cite to back up your contention, you’re just talking out of your ass.
Hey! You’re just like Senator Kyl!
What to make of this?
Not only did I provide a cite in that very post, but I helpfully identified it with the word “source”, for the dimwitted. And yet …
Strange. Or maybe not so strange.
For emphasis: YOU DON"T KNOW THE ACTUAL NUMBER. You just suppose it is “obviously” more than 3%.
That’s true. What of it?
The notion that it’s more than 3% was not made up by me. It was made by the source that I cited.
I myself also thought that “many people” would acknowledge what seems like an obvious fact. But many people is not everyone, and I those who it excludes would include hyped up partisans frothing over the “lies” of their hated political enemies.
I agree, people who are partisan fucking idiots don’t care if the number is 3% or 90%. So what? It’s still a lie on his part. Even if the number was 50% and he said 90%, I’d consider him to have chosen his figure advisedly in an effort to stir up shit in the hopes no one would call him on it rather than simply being hyperbolic.
The “hyperbole” excuse doesn’t pass the smell test, as even Kyl himself appeared to realize, but I’m willing to consider the possibility that he was not deliberately lying when he said what he said. It’s possible he felt compelled to come up with a damning statistic, and in lieu of actual education on the matter, decided to spit out a figure he thought he’d heard on Fox News somewhere.
Or perhaps actually did hear. Has anyone heard the 90% statistic come from anywhere but Kyl? Phony statistics tend to be swirled around the right-wing politico-blogo-news-o-sphere like flakes in a snow globe, if they’re useful and sinister-sounding.
According to Media Matters, it’s about 15%. That doesn’t speak to the accuracy of Kyl’s statement, but it also doesn’t speak to the accuracy of those who like to use 3% either.
[FWIW, the number is an estimate based on the cost of an abortion being $500 - which seems rather low to me. I’m curious about this number. Unfortunately, my office network blocks the apparent source link.]
Seems to me that figure does speak to the accuracy of Kyl’s statement - or rather, the inaccuracy of it.
That’s what I meant.
No, stop pretending this issue has something to do with lying vs hyperbole.
This partisan dip shit wasted time on the senate floor talking about abortion, when he should have been talking about the budget.
And as a result, partisan dip shits on this board talk about him as a lying, instead of the fact that he changed the budget debate into an abortion debate.
When election time rolls around, some how he’ll be a hero for fighting abortion, instead of a moron that help up the budget.
And then this stupid lie will be dragged out, and again all people will here is that PP provides abortions. It doesn’t matter if it’s 3% or 90%. It doesn’t even matter that it’s constitutionally protected, and not funded by federal money. The number could be 99% and it wouldn’t change the underlying problem.
According to your own cite, it’s less than 15% of their total revenue, not 15% of their services.
Again, according to your own link, abortion is 3% of their services.
Can’t agree with your assessment that the remark was hyperbole.
Here’s the quote from your source:
[INDENT]Here’s a portion of what Kyl said on the floor:
“Everybody goes to clinics, to hospitals, to doctors, and so on. Some people go to Planned Parenthood. But you don’t have to go to Planned Parenthood to get your cholesterol or your blood pressure checked. If you want an abortion, you go to Planned Parenthood, and that’s well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does.”[/INDENT]
Hyperbole is exaggeration that most people understand is not be taken literally. If Kyl had merely said that 90% of what PP did was abortion, there would be a possible (but very weak) argument that he was using hyperbole.
But what he said was “that’s well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does.” The “well over” is adding detail to sound convincing. It isn’t an obvious exaggeration for effect, such as “99%” would be. And it isn’t a casually thrown out rough figure like 90% could be.
An average, semi-informed, listener would not regard his remark as a clear exaggeration. The remark is meant to sound convincing. That was the point of saying “well over”.
Your source doesn’t back you up, is the point. In fact, in your source it clearly states that abortions make up 3% of the services PP provides.
Well, FTR, I’ll consider him an asshole for both reasons.
This stupid old fuck can’t retire soon enough. He epitomizes the worst in the political system.
That’s all valid. I’ve said similar, in post #37. Your point about “well over” is also valid. But I can see where someone might look at things differently. Especially since politicians give themselves wider latitude in their use of hyperbole than most people. That’s part of politics.
In any event, there’s no doubt that when Kyl later said “not meant to be factual” he meant he was being hyperbolic. Could be he was lying about that. But I incline to think he wasn’t. I think he just assumed (incorrectly) that most of what they do is abortions, and just tossed out 90% as a number. YMMV.
Snowboarder Bo, I can’t tell whether you’re being deliberately obtuse, or if you just are obtuse. Either way, I don’t think I need respond further.